[kde-linux] In KDE4, to set a different background for each of the multiple desktops

Stan Goodman stan.goodman at hashkedim.com
Wed Dec 23 22:41:19 UTC 2009

At 23:52:15 on Wednesday Wednesday 23 December 2009, Dale 
<rdalek1967 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Stan Goodman wrote:
> > At 23:08:36 on Wednesday Wednesday 23 December 2009, Dale
> >
> > <rdalek1967 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Felix Miata wrote:
> >>> On 2009/12/23 14:45 (GMT-0500) James Loughner composed:
> >>>> Stan Goodman wrote:
> >>>>> Right you are. I will continue to examine that facility, which I
> >>>>> currently regard as useless FOR ME.
> >>>>
> >>>> LOL It is useless to you because you have not yet seen the light.
> >>>
> >>> As many won't, since it's hidden in an unintuitive maze.
> >>>
> >>>> After all who needs microwave ovens or cell phones??
> >>>
> >>> If you want the healthiest possible cooked food, you don't cook it
> >>> in a microwave oven.
> >>>
> >>> There is no cell service where I live, while where I live has
> >>> everything else I need. Plus, I prefer wires, so that less radiated
> >>> energy has an opportunity to invade my body uninvited.
> >>>
> >>> KDE3 was, and remains, to many, the 2nd best desktop environment,
> >>> trailing only IBM's WPS. Calling KDE4 KDE at all, at least through
> >>> the latest GM release, is little short of an abomination to a _lot_
> >>> of experienced KDE3 users.
> >>>
> >>> It's hard to believe the amount of mailing list traffic just this
> >>> one single subject has generated across the panoply of KDE4
> >>> incarnations in the popular distros including it in place of KDE3.
> >>
> >> While I like some of KDE 4, if I could just stick with KDE 3, I
> >> would do just that.  KDE 3 works for me and I am already used to
> >> using it as well.  KDE 4 doesn't, at least not yet.
> >>
> >> I think KDE 4 should have been something different too.  KDE 3
> >> should have been maintained longer EVEN IF KDE 4 was going to
> >> replace KDE 3. People on the Gentoo lists mentioned the same thing. 
> >> It's not a drop in replacement or a upgrade.  It's a whole new
> >> thing.  It's not a "new" thing like M$ claims theirs to be either. 
> >> Their new thing sucks with a new shine on the front.  lol
> >>
> >> I sincerely hope KDE does a better job with KDE 5.  I have read
> >> where several people have switched away form KDE because of the way
> >> this was done.  KDE 3 was dropped before KDE 4 was even off to a
> >> good stable start.  At least that is my opinion anyway.  For me, KDE
> >> 4 is still not ready.
> >>
> >> Dale
> >
> > The excuse is that KDE doesn't have the resources to both maintain
> > KDE3 and develop KDE4. That's a copout. Normal people, faced with
> > such an artificial dilemma, would conclude that the development has
> > to be sacrificed, or continued on a back burner, to avoid the
> > inevitable result of pulling the rug out from under users, with no
> > real replacement available.
> >
> > The reason a different decision was made is that the development
> > team, in a terminal case of hubris, took the attitude that they work
> > for nothing, and therefore are in a position to enjoy their hobby
> > with no thought of what people want. Their attitude is wrong because
> > they have, by dint of having produced an excellent desktop (KDE3)
> > achieved a dominant position in the Linux desktop market, and then
> > betrayed their users who, it turns out, DO have an alternative.
> >
> > And no, forcing "The Future" on people who are content with dealing
> > with the present and letting The Future arrive at its own pace is not
> > what anybody anticipated or will tolerate, even for cool stuff.
> >
> > And it isn't as if KDE3 would not have profited from some work. If
> > they felt underemployed, they might have, as others have suggested,
> > taken a good look at the OS/2 Workplace.
> I think they should have looked at it this was as well.  If you own a
> business that depends on a stable KDE desktop, where are you now?  KDE
> 3 is not supported by KDE anymore.  KDE 4 is still a work in progress
> and for me at least, isn't usable yet.  So, if I had a business and
> needed a dependable desktop, I'd be looking for something else, not
> KDE.
> I'm a Gentoo user and since KDE dropped KDE 3, they are dropping it as
> well.  It is being moved over to layman but it is no longer supported
> by the Gentoo devs.  Some packages are already being removed because of
> a security bug or they no longer compile.
> So the choices are, keep a unsupported KDE 3 around or a somewhat
> unusable KDE 4 or switch to something else.  This makes Gnome, Fluxbox
> and some other DMs start to look better when faces with those options.
> Nothing is perfect but I am sure this could have been handled a lot
> better.  It's not like KDE was born yesterday.
> Dale

Interesting to speculate on what the major distros will do in the short 
term, and  what Novell will do about its enterprise product. As for KDE, 
this may be a wakeup call with even a wider meaning -- they anyway need 
to think about the need to ride herd (gently, of course) on the 
activities (Uh! that word) of developers who think anything they turn out 
is acceptable.

Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on

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