Introduction and Bug of the Month
AnnoyingRains
annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
Tue Dec 13 22:31:45 GMT 2022
Ah, so it should be written:
This month (January 2023)‘s bug is:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
Sounds good,
- Kye
On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 8:43 AM Nate Graham <nate at kde.org> wrote:
> Either the full link, or just the number.
>
> Nate
>
>
> On 12/11/22 18:32, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> > I'm a bit unsure about how I have written the bug ID, should I continue
> > to refer to it as ID: 391905, or KDE-391905, or even just bug 391905?
> >
> > Also, sorry about the horribly inconsistent formatting, I wrote much of
> > this on my phone, which can't seem to decide on anything most of the
> time.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 7:14 AM Nate Graham <nate at kde.org
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds good, let's do it!
> >
> > Nate
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/7/22 23:27, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> > > Draft 2, hopefully quite a bit shorter
> > >
> > > - - -
> > >
> > > Happy New Year KDE Developers!
> > >
> > > To celebrate the new year, the KDE Gardening team would like to
> > > reintroduce Bug of the Month, everyone’s favourite monthly
> > bug-related
> > > KDE programme! (Although that might be due to a lack of
> competition…)
> > >
> > > This month (January 2023)‘s bug is ID 391905:
> > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>
> > >
> > > ALL developers are invited (and encouraged) to participate in this
> > > programme, as, in my opinion, one of the most important things
> about
> > > growing an install base in an open source software project like
> this
> > > one, is proving that we listen to and work for our community.
> > >
> > > Far too many long-standing bugs exist in KDE software, and the
> last
> > > thing a user wants to see when trying to find a solution to an
> issue
> > > they are having, is a bug report that has seemingly been ignored
> > by KDE
> > > developers for years on end. This is frustrating as an end user,
> and
> > > causes many to give up on the project entirely, losing us market
> > share.
> > >
> > > If you’re wondering how this programme is different from the 15
> > minute
> > > bugs programme hosted by Nate Graham:
> > > * bug of the month is one bug per month, where 15 minute bugs may
> > be many
> > > * the bugs may **not** be visible within 15 minutes of hitting
> > the desktop
> > > * bug of the month has an emphasis on long-standing issues.
> > > * both affect a large amount of users
> > >
> > > Well then, thanks for reading right to the end, and again, happy
> new
> > > year! :)
> > >
> > > - Kye Potter, KDE Gardening
> > >
> > > On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 at 4:36 pm, Nate Graham <nate at kde.org
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd say condense it a bit if you can; people are more likely
> > to get to
> > > the end if it's not so long. :)
> > >
> > > Nate
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/6/22 22:20, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> > > > Great, let’s do that, and relaunch the programme on
> > 1/1/2023 at
> > > 12:00 am
> > > > (ish) UTC.
> > > >
> > > > I say UTC as KDE is international, so using the
> international
> > > standard
> > > > for time makes sense.
> > > >
> > > > I have a rough draft of the announcement we could post to
> the
> > > > development mailing list below:
> > > >
> > > > –––
> > > >
> > > > Happy New Year KDE Developers!
> > > >
> > > > To celebrate the new year, the KDE Gardening team would
> > like to
> > > > reintroduce Bug of the Month, everyone’s favourite monthly
> > > bug-related
> > > > KDE programme! (Although that might be due to a lack of
> > competition…)
> > > >
> > > > For those of you who have been with us for a while, you
> might
> > > remember
> > > > that the last Bug of the Month was back in February
> > 2016(!), but
> > > we are
> > > > planning to bring this programme back into action by
> > kickstarting it
> > > > with this bug:
> > > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>>
> > > >
> > > > ALL developers are invited (and encouraged) to participate
> > in this
> > > > programme, as, in my opinion, one of the most important
> > things about
> > > > growing an install base in an open source software project
> > like this
> > > > one, is proving that we listen and work for our community.
> > > >
> > > > Also, fixing old bugs that affect many users, often gains
> us
> > > positive
> > > > press, like here:
> > > > https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4
> > <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4> <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4
> > <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4>>
> > > <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4 <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4>
> > <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4 <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4>>> .
> Note
> > > how
> > > > positive this is, even though the bug was actually a
> > feature request!
> > > >
> > > > Far too many long-standing bugs exist in KDE software, and
> > the last
> > > > thing a user wants to see when trying to find a workaround
> > for a
> > > bug or
> > > > weird behaviour, is a bug report that has seemingly been
> > ignored
> > > by KDE
> > > > developers for years. This experience is very frustrating
> > as an end
> > > > user, and causes many to give up on the project entirely,
> > losing us
> > > > market share.
> > > >
> > > > In case you’re wondering how this programme is different
> > from the 15
> > > > minute bugs programme hosted by Nate Graham, this
> programme is
> > > only one
> > > > bug per month, where the bugs may not be visible within 15
> > > minutes of
> > > > hitting the desktop, but still affect a large amount of
> users,
> > > and with
> > > > an emphasis on long-standing issues.
> > > >
> > > > Well then, thanks for reading right to the end, and again,
> > happy new
> > > > year! :)
> > > >
> > > > - Kye Potter, KDE Gardening
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 2:20 pm, Nate Graham <nate at kde.org
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 1 is clearly better; let's do that. I actually looked
> > into it
> > > a few
> > > > months ago but got demoralized by the complexity of
> > the code,
> > > but I'm
> > > > not really a real engineer. Maybe I'll give it a shot
> > again.
> > > >
> > > > Nate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12/6/22 19:38, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> > > > > Good points, we could use this (much more minor)
> bug:
> > > > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>>
> > > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>>> instead. It could
> > easily
> > > > > be fixed in a month, as there are two ways to
> > handle this bug:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1: add a trash can icon to the global themes menu
> (just
> > > like how
> > > > there
> > > > > is one in the other menus)
> > > > >
> > > > > 2: rename the "Get New Global Themes" button to
> > "Install
> > > and Manage
> > > > > Global Themes"
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 11:57 AM Nate Graham
> > <nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
> > > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it depends on how we want to
> conceptualize
> > > this. The
> > > > harder the
> > > > > bug is, the more time we'll need to budget for
> > it, and the
> > > > bigger the
> > > > > risk that it doesn't get done--which is just the
> > > status quo,
> > > > so I guess
> > > > > not that big of a risk, except for maybe
> > demoralizing
> > > people
> > > > and making
> > > > > the initiative seem like a failure.
> > > > >
> > > > > FWIW I think the bugs for the 15-minute bug
> > initiative
> > > > > (https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>
> > > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>>
> > > > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>
> > > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>>>
> > > > > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>
> > > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>>
> > > > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>
> > > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>>>>) are more suitable
> > for the
> > > > > monthly approach, as each of these could
> definitely
> > > get done
> > > > in less
> > > > > than a month.
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps in addition to "bug of the month" we
> > could do
> > > another
> > > > thing for
> > > > > bigger and harder bugs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nate
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/5/22 23:28, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> > > > > > Perhaps we could switch to “bug of the
> quarter”
> > > instead?
> > > > As most
> > > > > of the
> > > > > > bugs that are notable enough to be a serious
> > hassle or
> > > > annoyance
> > > > > for a
> > > > > > large amount of users might not be suitable
> > for one
> > > month,
> > > > as you
> > > > > > pointed out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Although I feel that “bug of the quarter”
> > doesn’t
> > > sound as
> > > > > exciting, or
> > > > > > possibly even motivating enough to get devs
> > on board.
> > > > Perhaps we
> > > > > could
> > > > > > create a section on the (would need to be
> > created)
> > > Bug of the
> > > > > Quarter
> > > > > > wiki page, that lists all contributors who
> > directly
> > > > contributed
> > > > > to the
> > > > > > patch, if there is more than one, of course.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Other than that, perhaps just an email to
> > the KDE dev
> > > > mailing list
> > > > > > congratulating them and announcing the next
> bug?
> > > That could
> > > > > encourage
> > > > > > people.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 at 4:01 pm, Nate Graham
> > > <nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org> <mailto:nate at kde.org
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
> > > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>
> > > > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
> > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Kyle,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, that sounds like a good idea.
> > > > > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>
> > > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>>
> > > > > >
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>
> > > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>>> should also be
> quite a
> > > > > > challenge! I think for something like
> > this we would
> > > > need to leave
> > > > > > plenty
> > > > > > of time for people technically capable of
> > > working on it to
> > > > > show up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nate
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 12/4/22 04:40, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> > > > > > > Me again, we missed December, it
> > would probably
> > > > have been too
> > > > > > busy for
> > > > > > > most devs to work on it anyway, but
> > perhaps
> > > we could
> > > > > relaunch this
> > > > > > > program on 1/1/2023 as a new year’s
> > thing?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Kye Potter (same person as
> > > AnnoyingRains,I’m slowly
> > > > > switching
> > > > > > all my
> > > > > > > KDE activities over to my real name)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 at 10:13 am,
> > AnnoyingRains
> > > > > > <annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com <mailto:
> annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>
> > > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com <mailto:
> annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>
> > > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>>>
> > > > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com <mailto:
> annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>
> > > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com <mailto:
> annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>
> > > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>>>>
> > > > > > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com <mailto:
> annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>
> > > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>>
> > > > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>>>
> > > > > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com <mailto:
> annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>
> > > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>>
> > > > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com <mailto:
> annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>
> > > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello again, just realised my
> > last email
> > > only
> > > > had Nate
> > > > > in the
> > > > > > “to”
> > > > > > > field, hopefully this one works
> > better.
> > > Sorry
> > > > if this
> > > > > creates a
> > > > > > > duplicate somewhere.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Original email:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To get the word out, I suggest we
> > > continue to
> > > > announce new
> > > > > > bugs of
> > > > > > > the month on the kde-devel
> > mailing list
> > > and on
> > > > Planet
> > > > > KDE. Other
> > > > > > > than that, I don't really know of
> > any other
> > > > communications
> > > > > > platforms
> > > > > > > we have with developers.
> > > > > > > Other than just asking nicely and
> > > encouraging devs
> > > > > from different
> > > > > > > projects to give the bug a shot,
> > I don't
> > > think
> > > > there is
> > > > > > really much
> > > > > > > more we can do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For an easier bug to patch,
> perhaps
> > > > > > >
> > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>
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> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>>
> > > > > >
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>
> > > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>>>
> > > > > > >
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>
> > > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>>
> > > > > >
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>
> > > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>>>>would work, it's
> not
> > > > > > > quite as long standing as the
> > other bug, but
> > > > still an
> > > > > annoying
> > > > > > > usability issue with core
> > functionality.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 at 3:51 pm,
> > Nate Graham
> > > > > <nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>> <mailto:nate at kde.org
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>
> > > > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
> > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>>
> > > > > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org> <mailto:nate at kde.org
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
> > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>
> > > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
> > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello AnnoyingRains,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for wanting to get
> > involved
> > > with the
> > > > Gardening
> > > > > > team! It's
> > > > > > > a small
> > > > > > > team right now and can rally
> > benefit
> > > from more
> > > > > members.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
> > > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>
> > > > > >
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
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> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>>
> > > > > > >
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
> > > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>
> > > > > >
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
> > > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>>> Would be quite a
> > > > > > > challenge.
> > > > > > > Implementing it properly can
> only
> > > really be
> > > > done
> > > > > in the
> > > > > > Wayland
> > > > > > > session,
> > > > > > > and even then, it's quite
> > > complicated. Of
> > > > the people I
> > > > > > can think
> > > > > > > of who
> > > > > > > would be definitely capable of
> > > implementing the
> > > > > feature,
> > > > > > all of
> > > > > > > them are
> > > > > > > super busy right now. So I
> > doubt it
> > > could
> > > > get done
> > > > > in a
> > > > > > month,
> > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > honest. But... maybe I'm
> > wrong! One
> > > of the best
> > > > > ways to
> > > > > > get things
> > > > > > > moving is simply to care
> > about them,
> > > > publicize the
> > > > > issue, and
> > > > > > > try to
> > > > > > > attract developers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you have ideas for how we
> > can get the
> > > > word out
> > > > > here and
> > > > > > > generate buzz
> > > > > > > surrounding it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nate
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/23/22 22:18,
> AnnoyingRains
> > > Games wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello, I am AnnoyingRains,
> a
> > > brand new
> > > > > contributor to KDE
> > > > > > > (and also new
> > > > > > > > to mailing lists).
> > > > > > > > I have been using KDE
> software
> > > (notably
> > > > Plasma,
> > > > > Konsole,
> > > > > > > Dolphin, KDE
> > > > > > > > Partition Manager and
> > Kwrite) on my
> > > > laptop for
> > > > > over a year
> > > > > > > now (and
> > > > > > > > loving it), and I think
> now is
> > > finally
> > > > time for
> > > > > me to give
> > > > > > > back to the
> > > > > > > > community.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I found the gardening team
> > on the
> > > "Get
> > > > > Involved" page, and
> > > > > > > when looking
> > > > > > > > through the things that
> > the team
> > > does, I
> > > > found
> > > > > Bug of the
> > > > > > > Month, a bug
> > > > > > > > fixing effort that hasn't
> > been in
> > > place
> > > > since 2015.
> > > > > > > > I suggest we bring this
> > programme
> > > back
> > > > into action.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I believe that a good Bug
> > of the
> > > Month
> > > > is a bug
> > > > > that
> > > > > > not only
> > > > > > > affects a
> > > > > > > > large amount of people,
> > but one that
> > > > makes KDE look
> > > > > > bad, or the
> > > > > > > > developers look lazy for
> not
> > > fixing it,
> > > > and I
> > > > > believe
> > > > > > we have
> > > > > > > a good
> > > > > > > > contender for the first
> bug of
> > > the month in
> > > > > over 6 years.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bug 15329,
> > > > > (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
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> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>
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> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
> > > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>
> > > > > >
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
> > > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>>>>), is a great
> > > > > > > contender for
> > > > > > > > this. The bug is over 22
> years
> > > old, and
> > > > can cause
> > > > > > > seemingly-broken
> > > > > > > > behaviour. If a new user
> sees
> > > this and
> > > > attempts
> > > > > to find a
> > > > > > > solution for
> > > > > > > > this annoying issue, then
> they
> > > will find
> > > > this
> > > > > ancient bug
> > > > > > > report. People
> > > > > > > > usually don't react to 22+
> > year
> > > old reports
> > > > > well, so
> > > > > > this may
> > > > > > > cause them
> > > > > > > > to choose to use a
> > competing product
> > > > instead of
> > > > > KDEs, and
> > > > > > > make KDE look bad.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have no idea how to sign
> > off an
> > > email to a
> > > > > mailing
> > > > > > list, so
> > > > > > > I'll just
> > > > > > > > cut it off here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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