Introduction and Bug of the Month
Nate Graham
nate at kde.org
Tue Dec 13 18:55:07 GMT 2022
Either the full link, or just the number.
Nate
On 12/11/22 18:32, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> I'm a bit unsure about how I have written the bug ID, should I continue
> to refer to it as ID: 391905, or KDE-391905, or even just bug 391905?
>
> Also, sorry about the horribly inconsistent formatting, I wrote much of
> this on my phone, which can't seem to decide on anything most of the time.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 7:14 AM Nate Graham <nate at kde.org
> <mailto:nate at kde.org>> wrote:
>
> Sounds good, let's do it!
>
> Nate
>
>
>
> On 12/7/22 23:27, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> > Draft 2, hopefully quite a bit shorter
> >
> > - - -
> >
> > Happy New Year KDE Developers!
> >
> > To celebrate the new year, the KDE Gardening team would like to
> > reintroduce Bug of the Month, everyone’s favourite monthly
> bug-related
> > KDE programme! (Although that might be due to a lack of competition…)
> >
> > This month (January 2023)‘s bug is ID 391905:
> > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>
> >
> > ALL developers are invited (and encouraged) to participate in this
> > programme, as, in my opinion, one of the most important things about
> > growing an install base in an open source software project like this
> > one, is proving that we listen to and work for our community.
> >
> > Far too many long-standing bugs exist in KDE software, and the last
> > thing a user wants to see when trying to find a solution to an issue
> > they are having, is a bug report that has seemingly been ignored
> by KDE
> > developers for years on end. This is frustrating as an end user, and
> > causes many to give up on the project entirely, losing us market
> share.
> >
> > If you’re wondering how this programme is different from the 15
> minute
> > bugs programme hosted by Nate Graham:
> > * bug of the month is one bug per month, where 15 minute bugs may
> be many
> > * the bugs may **not** be visible within 15 minutes of hitting
> the desktop
> > * bug of the month has an emphasis on long-standing issues.
> > * both affect a large amount of users
> >
> > Well then, thanks for reading right to the end, and again, happy new
> > year! :)
> >
> > - Kye Potter, KDE Gardening
> >
> > On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 at 4:36 pm, Nate Graham <nate at kde.org
> <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>> wrote:
> >
> > I'd say condense it a bit if you can; people are more likely
> to get to
> > the end if it's not so long. :)
> >
> > Nate
> >
> >
> > On 12/6/22 22:20, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> > > Great, let’s do that, and relaunch the programme on
> 1/1/2023 at
> > 12:00 am
> > > (ish) UTC.
> > >
> > > I say UTC as KDE is international, so using the international
> > standard
> > > for time makes sense.
> > >
> > > I have a rough draft of the announcement we could post to the
> > > development mailing list below:
> > >
> > > –––
> > >
> > > Happy New Year KDE Developers!
> > >
> > > To celebrate the new year, the KDE Gardening team would
> like to
> > > reintroduce Bug of the Month, everyone’s favourite monthly
> > bug-related
> > > KDE programme! (Although that might be due to a lack of
> competition…)
> > >
> > > For those of you who have been with us for a while, you might
> > remember
> > > that the last Bug of the Month was back in February
> 2016(!), but
> > we are
> > > planning to bring this programme back into action by
> kickstarting it
> > > with this bug:
> > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>>
> > >
> > > ALL developers are invited (and encouraged) to participate
> in this
> > > programme, as, in my opinion, one of the most important
> things about
> > > growing an install base in an open source software project
> like this
> > > one, is proving that we listen and work for our community.
> > >
> > > Also, fixing old bugs that affect many users, often gains us
> > positive
> > > press, like here:
> > > https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4
> <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4> <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4
> <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4>>
> > <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4 <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4>
> <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4 <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4>>> . Note
> > how
> > > positive this is, even though the bug was actually a
> feature request!
> > >
> > > Far too many long-standing bugs exist in KDE software, and
> the last
> > > thing a user wants to see when trying to find a workaround
> for a
> > bug or
> > > weird behaviour, is a bug report that has seemingly been
> ignored
> > by KDE
> > > developers for years. This experience is very frustrating
> as an end
> > > user, and causes many to give up on the project entirely,
> losing us
> > > market share.
> > >
> > > In case you’re wondering how this programme is different
> from the 15
> > > minute bugs programme hosted by Nate Graham, this programme is
> > only one
> > > bug per month, where the bugs may not be visible within 15
> > minutes of
> > > hitting the desktop, but still affect a large amount of users,
> > and with
> > > an emphasis on long-standing issues.
> > >
> > > Well then, thanks for reading right to the end, and again,
> happy new
> > > year! :)
> > >
> > > - Kye Potter, KDE Gardening
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 2:20 pm, Nate Graham <nate at kde.org
> <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > 1 is clearly better; let's do that. I actually looked
> into it
> > a few
> > > months ago but got demoralized by the complexity of
> the code,
> > but I'm
> > > not really a real engineer. Maybe I'll give it a shot
> again.
> > >
> > > Nate
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/6/22 19:38, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> > > > Good points, we could use this (much more minor) bug:
> > > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>>> instead. It could
> easily
> > > > be fixed in a month, as there are two ways to
> handle this bug:
> > > >
> > > > 1: add a trash can icon to the global themes menu (just
> > like how
> > > there
> > > > is one in the other menus)
> > > >
> > > > 2: rename the "Get New Global Themes" button to
> "Install
> > and Manage
> > > > Global Themes"
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 11:57 AM Nate Graham
> <nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
> > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think it depends on how we want to conceptualize
> > this. The
> > > harder the
> > > > bug is, the more time we'll need to budget for
> it, and the
> > > bigger the
> > > > risk that it doesn't get done--which is just the
> > status quo,
> > > so I guess
> > > > not that big of a risk, except for maybe
> demoralizing
> > people
> > > and making
> > > > the initiative seem like a failure.
> > > >
> > > > FWIW I think the bugs for the 15-minute bug
> initiative
> > > > (https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>
> > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>>
> > > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>
> > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>>>
> > > > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>
> > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>>
> > > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>
> > <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
> <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>>>>) are more suitable
> for the
> > > > monthly approach, as each of these could definitely
> > get done
> > > in less
> > > > than a month.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps in addition to "bug of the month" we
> could do
> > another
> > > thing for
> > > > bigger and harder bugs.
> > > >
> > > > Nate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12/5/22 23:28, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> > > > > Perhaps we could switch to “bug of the quarter”
> > instead?
> > > As most
> > > > of the
> > > > > bugs that are notable enough to be a serious
> hassle or
> > > annoyance
> > > > for a
> > > > > large amount of users might not be suitable
> for one
> > month,
> > > as you
> > > > > pointed out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Although I feel that “bug of the quarter”
> doesn’t
> > sound as
> > > > exciting, or
> > > > > possibly even motivating enough to get devs
> on board.
> > > Perhaps we
> > > > could
> > > > > create a section on the (would need to be
> created)
> > Bug of the
> > > > Quarter
> > > > > wiki page, that lists all contributors who
> directly
> > > contributed
> > > > to the
> > > > > patch, if there is more than one, of course.
> > > > >
> > > > > Other than that, perhaps just an email to
> the KDE dev
> > > mailing list
> > > > > congratulating them and announcing the next bug?
> > That could
> > > > encourage
> > > > > people.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 at 4:01 pm, Nate Graham
> > <nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org> <mailto:nate at kde.org
> <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
> > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>
> > > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Kyle,
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, that sounds like a good idea.
> > > > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
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> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
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> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>>
> > > > >
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
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> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>>> should also be quite a
> > > > > challenge! I think for something like
> this we would
> > > need to leave
> > > > > plenty
> > > > > of time for people technically capable of
> > working on it to
> > > > show up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nate
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/4/22 04:40, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> > > > > > Me again, we missed December, it
> would probably
> > > have been too
> > > > > busy for
> > > > > > most devs to work on it anyway, but
> perhaps
> > we could
> > > > relaunch this
> > > > > > program on 1/1/2023 as a new year’s
> thing?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Kye Potter (same person as
> > AnnoyingRains,I’m slowly
> > > > switching
> > > > > all my
> > > > > > KDE activities over to my real name)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 at 10:13 am,
> AnnoyingRains
> > > > > <annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>
> > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
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> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>>
> > > > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>
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> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello again, just realised my
> last email
> > only
> > > had Nate
> > > > in the
> > > > > “to”
> > > > > > field, hopefully this one works
> better.
> > Sorry
> > > if this
> > > > creates a
> > > > > > duplicate somewhere.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Original email:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To get the word out, I suggest we
> > continue to
> > > announce new
> > > > > bugs of
> > > > > > the month on the kde-devel
> mailing list
> > and on
> > > Planet
> > > > KDE. Other
> > > > > > than that, I don't really know of
> any other
> > > communications
> > > > > platforms
> > > > > > we have with developers.
> > > > > > Other than just asking nicely and
> > encouraging devs
> > > > from different
> > > > > > projects to give the bug a shot,
> I don't
> > think
> > > there is
> > > > > really much
> > > > > > more we can do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For an easier bug to patch, perhaps
> > > > > >
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
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> > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
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> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
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> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
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> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>>
> > > > >
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>>>>would work, it's not
> > > > > > quite as long standing as the
> other bug, but
> > > still an
> > > > annoying
> > > > > > usability issue with core
> functionality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 at 3:51 pm,
> Nate Graham
> > > > <nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>> <mailto:nate at kde.org
> <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>
> > > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org
> <mailto:nate at kde.org> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>>
> > > > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org
> <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org> <mailto:nate at kde.org
> <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>
> > > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
> > > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
> > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello AnnoyingRains,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for wanting to get
> involved
> > with the
> > > Gardening
> > > > > team! It's
> > > > > > a small
> > > > > > team right now and can rally
> benefit
> > from more
> > > > members.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>
> > > > >
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> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
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> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
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> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
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> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
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> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
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> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
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> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
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> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
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> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>
> > > > >
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>>> Would be quite a
> > > > > > challenge.
> > > > > > Implementing it properly can only
> > really be
> > > done
> > > > in the
> > > > > Wayland
> > > > > > session,
> > > > > > and even then, it's quite
> > complicated. Of
> > > the people I
> > > > > can think
> > > > > > of who
> > > > > > would be definitely capable of
> > implementing the
> > > > feature,
> > > > > all of
> > > > > > them are
> > > > > > super busy right now. So I
> doubt it
> > could
> > > get done
> > > > in a
> > > > > month,
> > > > > > to be
> > > > > > honest. But... maybe I'm
> wrong! One
> > of the best
> > > > ways to
> > > > > get things
> > > > > > moving is simply to care
> about them,
> > > publicize the
> > > > issue, and
> > > > > > try to
> > > > > > attract developers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you have ideas for how we
> can get the
> > > word out
> > > > here and
> > > > > > generate buzz
> > > > > > surrounding it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nate
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/23/22 22:18, AnnoyingRains
> > Games wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello, I am AnnoyingRains, a
> > brand new
> > > > contributor to KDE
> > > > > > (and also new
> > > > > > > to mailing lists).
> > > > > > > I have been using KDE software
> > (notably
> > > Plasma,
> > > > Konsole,
> > > > > > Dolphin, KDE
> > > > > > > Partition Manager and
> Kwrite) on my
> > > laptop for
> > > > over a year
> > > > > > now (and
> > > > > > > loving it), and I think now is
> > finally
> > > time for
> > > > me to give
> > > > > > back to the
> > > > > > > community.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I found the gardening team
> on the
> > "Get
> > > > Involved" page, and
> > > > > > when looking
> > > > > > > through the things that
> the team
> > does, I
> > > found
> > > > Bug of the
> > > > > > Month, a bug
> > > > > > > fixing effort that hasn't
> been in
> > place
> > > since 2015.
> > > > > > > I suggest we bring this
> programme
> > back
> > > into action.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I believe that a good Bug
> of the
> > Month
> > > is a bug
> > > > that
> > > > > not only
> > > > > > affects a
> > > > > > > large amount of people,
> but one that
> > > makes KDE look
> > > > > bad, or the
> > > > > > > developers look lazy for not
> > fixing it,
> > > and I
> > > > believe
> > > > > we have
> > > > > > a good
> > > > > > > contender for the first bug of
> > the month in
> > > > over 6 years.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bug 15329,
> > > > (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
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> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
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> > > > >
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
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> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
> > > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
> > > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>>>>), is a great
> > > > > > contender for
> > > > > > > this. The bug is over 22 years
> > old, and
> > > can cause
> > > > > > seemingly-broken
> > > > > > > behaviour. If a new user sees
> > this and
> > > attempts
> > > > to find a
> > > > > > solution for
> > > > > > > this annoying issue, then they
> > will find
> > > this
> > > > ancient bug
> > > > > > report. People
> > > > > > > usually don't react to 22+
> year
> > old reports
> > > > well, so
> > > > > this may
> > > > > > cause them
> > > > > > > to choose to use a
> competing product
> > > instead of
> > > > KDEs, and
> > > > > > make KDE look bad.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have no idea how to sign
> off an
> > email to a
> > > > mailing
> > > > > list, so
> > > > > > I'll just
> > > > > > > cut it off here.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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