LabPlot2 for kde-edu?
alexanderrieder at gmail.com
Mon Jan 6 00:51:30 UTC 2014
sorry for the somewhat late reply.
On Wednesday 01 January 2014 16:52:01 Alexander Semke wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I'm the maintainer of Cantor.
> > As Aleix already pointed out, the requirements for joining the KDE family
> > are quite low, and I'd like to encourage you to join.
> > I agree that there are could be some interesting possible cooperation
> > between Cantor and LabView.
> > For example at the moment most(all, since I still owe Aleix the
> > integration
> > of the kalgebra-QML-item branch, sorry about that) of the plotting support
> > in Cantor is static (i.e. showing an image), and due to the way most
> > backends are implemented as separate processes this is hard to change.
> > Instead we could offer our own interactive plotting fallback for which the
> > backend only has to feed the data, which is much easier to do. What do you
> > think? Does LabView offer a simple API for cases like that?
> Yes. Let me give you more information. Currently, the worklflow in labplot
> is the following: you create a new project, worksheet, xy-plot and a
> xy-curve. Then you specify the data sets to be used for the x and for the
> y-data of this xy-curve. These data sources can originate from a
> spreadsheet where you type in the data by hand or where you import the data
> from an external ascii-file to the spreadsheet. So, in principle you just
> have to select a column. Internaly, such an Column object is just a wrapper
> over QList<double> (implementations for QList<QDateTime> etc. will follow
> in the next months). We just need to fill such Columns. At the moment, the
> labplot-user selects in a tree-like ComboBox the columns. Columns belong in
> this tree-hierarchie to Sreadsheets. Now, my idea was to integrate/embed
> Cantor into LabPlot. The user creates, e.g., a Maxima-session in LabPlot
> and performs some calculaitons leading to some arrays or lists or however
> these objects are named in the specific CAS where the results for the plots
> are stored. These arrays/lists we need to expose from Cantor to LabPlot.
> Then, the user selects in the ComboBox the Maxima-session and one of its
> children (array/list with the actual data) as the source for x- or y-data.
> By having this, we can combine the data originated from different sources -
> imported from an ascii-data, provided by hand in a spreadsheet or
> caclulated in maxima, octave etc.
There is a starting point for this is already present in the VariableModel
provided by some of the backends (including maxima). It gives you the
name+value of all variables in the session. The value might not be usable, as
it's meant to be in a human-readable format, but if you provide a simple
function that outputs the value in an easily parseable format
this should be quite simple to implement (on the cantor side of things).
> So, this was a LabPlot-centric suggestion where Cantor would "just" take a
> role of an additional data provider for the plots. Consider now the Cantor-
> centric way of thinking. You create a plot and want to easily edit plot
> features. As you said, you show currently a static picture generated by a
> different framework. For this you could use something like QCustomPlot which
> is Qt-based, can be embedded in any project and provides a lot of features
> and a clean interface. But then you still need to implement a lot of
> GUI-stuff when you want to provide easy ways of editing of the plot
> appearence. This is where LabPlot can help since a lot of GUI-stuff for
> everything you see on the plot (or worksheet in general) is already
> available. The only problem here I see now is the fact that you need to
> create first a worksheet and then a plot. Internaly, worksheet provides you
> a QGraphicsScene/View and a plot inherits from QGraphicsItem. So, you
> create a worksheet and then a plot with axes and curves, activate a layout
> with zero margins and embed this QGraphicsView into you session-widget
> instead of a static picture. LabPlot's worksheet is shown within another
> widget instead of being an MDI-sub-window. And then you need to embed all
> LabPlot's dock widgets...
> LabPlot's API is simple. As an example take a look at
> CartesianPlot::initDefault() here
> lots/cartesian/CartesianPlot.cpp You can also have a look at Axis.h or at
> XYCurve.h if you want to see which properties of these object can be
> modified. But it's easier to compile and to install LabPlot and to give it
> a try :-)
I'll have a closer look at these things when I have some free time, but it
> Just thought a bit longer about this... I think, it would be easier to use
> Cantor within LabPlot then the other was around if you want to have all the
> editing properties currently available with everything being
> undoable/redoable etc. In the long term, I can think of LabPlot being, with
> the help of Cantor, a complete and feature-rich frontend to different
> CASes. LabPlot provides you a "project explorer" where you have an overview
> of all objects you've created. On the screenshots in Stuart's blog you see
> this project explorer on the left hand side. Having a maxima-session for
> example, you would have a parent node in the project explorer for this and
> as children nodes you could have all your variables, expressions,
> equations, inputs, plots, tables etc so you can easily navigate through
> your session. The middle part of LabPlot is the place for the actual
> "content" - worksheet, spreadsheet, CAS-sessions, text editor windows for
> scripting stuff. On the r.h.s you have the dock widgets were you can edit a
> lot of properties of the currently selected object (or objects, yes, you
> can edit multiple object of the same type simultaniously - say, you can
> edit the line width of ten curves in a single step). For CAS one could show
> here the context related documentation. Something similar you already have
> in Cantor.
I really like the idea. It sounds extremely powerful and awesome. Hopefully we
can make this happen.
> > As far as using Cantor to integrate other CASes, if you have a look at
> > cantor/src/lib you see that internally Cantor is designed very modular
> > and
> > provides a library which abstracts away all the backend specifics and is
> > independent of the worksheet ui. You can just send a command and get the
> > results. This should give you a simple access to all the different
> > languages supported. (Although for big amounts of data it might be
> > necessary to come up with something faster than using stdout+parsing). If
> > you're interested in trying it out, feel free to ask me anything.
> I don't intend to integrate new CASes. Maxima and Octave as additional data
> providers within LabPlot at the beginnig would be more than greate :-)
> Serializing/deserializing of data is, I think, good enough at the beginning.
> Best regards
> P.S.: Just wanted to try out plotting in Cantor, but I failed to produce a
> plot in Maxima with plot2d(sin(x),(x,-1,1)) - I get an image with a lot of
> mess. Cannot send the screenshot here since there is a size limit on this
> mailing list... Cantor crashes if I try to replot this a couple of time. I
> can fill a bug report, if this is an unknown problem. If I add an
> additional $ at the end of the line, the plot appears in an external
What version of libspectre/ghostscript are you using? There used to be bug
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319053, can you try setting LANG=C as
suggested in one of the comments there? If that doesn't help, can you send me
the screenshot and the debugging output cantor gives you to my email adress?
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