Add Cooperative Learning to Pairs
Aleix Pol
aleixpol at kde.org
Mon Sep 2 00:13:03 UTC 2013
Wouldn't it be better to add a difficulty attribute in the <element>?
This way we'd get to re-use more parts of the themes.
Also XML doesn't love multiple toplevels, you'd want to have something like:
<theme>
<game level="...">...</game>
<game level="...">...</game>
<game level="...">...</game>
</theme>
Hope this helps!
Aleix
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Marco Calignano <marco.calignano at gmail.com
> wrote:
> HI Aleix,
>
> I prepared a new branch called 'cooperative' to work on Pairs with the
> students without disturbing the master. In there under the directory Themes
> I committed a proposal for the Coopeartive Theme.
> Is just a list of themes with an attribute that gives the difficulty (very
> easy, easy, medium, hard, very hard) and I also add a field 'maxmoves'
> where you can set the maximum number of moves allowed to complete the game.
> (if 0 there is no limit).
>
> I wait for feed back. If everything is fine I can go on and give it to the
> students.
>
> Bye
> Marco
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Aleix Pol <aleixpol at kde.org> wrote:
>
>> :) alright! Let's do this!
>>
>> Yes, definitely, let's discuss over the format. It will be interesting to
>> also discuss how we have to change current Pairs.
>>
>> Aleix
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Marco Calignano <
>> marco.calignano at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have looked at this discussion again and I am still positive we can
>>> Integrate Cooperative Learning in the Pairs game. I also (probably you have
>>> seen already) put two SoK task for student to help me do it. And it seems I
>>> have two candidates. In any case I will work in a branch and then we can
>>> still decide at the end if what we do is good or not.
>>> Many details of the GUI we can implement in a later time what I need
>>> first is the Themes management routines and the games flow.
>>> So in the next day I will go ahead and propose an XML format for a
>>> "collaborative Pairs Theme".
>>> I would like you to check on me if I might forget or oversee something.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Marco
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Aleix Pol <aleixpol at kde.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Marco Calignano <
>>>> marco.calignano at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Aleix Pol <aleixpol at kde.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Marco Calignano <
>>>>>> marco.calignano at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> El Dimarts, 7 de maig de 2013, a les 09:22:38, Marco Calignano va
>>>>>>>> escriure:
>>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > to answer to Albert:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I plan to add an option (an Icon on the games bar) so the player
>>>>>>>> can choose
>>>>>>>> > the collaborative mode like was another kind of game.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Makes sense :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I can also give an example to how I imagine the third point:
>>>>>>>> > There are three kids around the computer only one can play. When
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> > finishes his game we need to automatically load a new game
>>>>>>>> (similar to the
>>>>>>>> > first) for the next kid. Now after everyone played once we load a
>>>>>>>> new game
>>>>>>>> > (a bit more difficult) that the first kid can play again and so.
>>>>>>>> All this
>>>>>>>> > list of game and difficulties could be store in a xml file
>>>>>>>> similar to the
>>>>>>>> > current theme file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Makes sense now :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > to answer Aleix:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > The aim of collaborative learning is to have children work
>>>>>>>> together. A
>>>>>>>> > player for himself is not Collaborative learning. (Of course we
>>>>>>>> can think
>>>>>>>> > of another option for increasing difficulties even in single
>>>>>>>> player mode)
>>>>>>>> > The number three came out in a discussion with the educator of
>>>>>>>> pre-school
>>>>>>>> > teacher: the said the best number is three one at computer and
>>>>>>>> one per
>>>>>>>> > side, the forth would be behind and sometime because of physical
>>>>>>>> > characteristics could be cut off of the game (too short to see
>>>>>>>> the monitor)
>>>>>>>> > but also psychological he fells less important because he is
>>>>>>>> behind
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I would like to discuss the UI further as well (that's why this
>>>>>>>> email)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you need for the UI, some kind of scoreboard so that each
>>>>>>>> children has
>>>>>>>> a different score?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) The score is not for each player but only for the group so we
>>>>>>> need to change the left tab where the players are.
>>>>>>> 2) We need also a way to tell the kids that they need to switch
>>>>>>> places. I thought like a popup windows where the avatar and the name
>>>>>>> appears.
>>>>>>> 3) Therefore the kids have to have different avatar.
>>>>>>> 4) I think also we need some kind of confirmation mechanism to
>>>>>>> select collaborative games. Like a double click or code typing of some
>>>>>>> kind: this would avoid kids playing at home switching into collaborative
>>>>>>> mode and have any kind of "problems"
>>>>>>> 5) we should also give the possibility to same the session game with
>>>>>>> players scores etc. This make sense since in this kind of mode there will
>>>>>>> be more than one game.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Marco
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Albert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > For the difficulty we could implement it both way: Increase the
>>>>>>>> number of
>>>>>>>> > cards, and/or decrease the number of step needed to solve the game
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I hope I was clearer this time if not just tell me
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Cheers
>>>>>>>> > Marco
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Aleix Pol <aleixpol at kde.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > > Hi Marco! :)
>>>>>>>> > > It's good to see you back!
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > First of all, I think it's a great iniciative, I'd like to see
>>>>>>>> more of
>>>>>>>> > > that in the future.
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > Point by point:
>>>>>>>> > > 1. Why do we limit the number of players? how do you mean to do
>>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>> > > Won't a kid be able to play by himself while bored at home?
>>>>>>>> > > 2. It's a matter about UI, it won't hurt to think it through a
>>>>>>>> bit further
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > :).
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > 3. Shouldn't the difficulty be the number of "pairs" we are
>>>>>>>> displaying?
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > Aleix
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Marco Calignano <
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > marco.calignano at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >> Hello,
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> I would like to start adding Cooperative Learning features to
>>>>>>>> Pairs, and
>>>>>>>> > >> would like to throw the discussion in the mailing list.
>>>>>>>> > >> For Cooperative Learning we need three main changes in Pairs,
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> > >> discussed in Randa last year (
>>>>>>>> > >> http://community.kde.org/KDEEdu/Sprint2012/TeachersNotes).
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> 1. Limit the number of player to three, no more, no less.
>>>>>>>> > >> 2. Only one player can access the computer so we need a way to
>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> > >> players when they can do that
>>>>>>>> > >> 3. Link together different games so that the players have an
>>>>>>>> increase in
>>>>>>>> > >> tasks difficulty
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> To specify the difficulty of a game we can give a maximum
>>>>>>>> number of move
>>>>>>>> > >> to solve the game.
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> The first two points can be build in the game code, but the
>>>>>>>> last point, I
>>>>>>>> > >> believe, belongs to the theme description because it has to be
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> > >> flexible.
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> What do you think?
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> --
>>>>>>>> > >> Life is short, so learn from your mistakes
>>>>>>>> > >> And stand behind, the choices that you make
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> Face each day with both eyes open wide
>>>>>>>> > >> And try to give don't keep it all inside
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> Dream Theater
>>>>>>>> > >>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Life is short, so learn from your mistakes
>>>>>>> And stand behind, the choices that you make
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Face each day with both eyes open wide
>>>>>>> And try to give don't keep it all inside
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dream Theater
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Marco!
>>>>>> Maybe you can provide some mockups to get it discussed?
>>>>>>
>>>>> what do you mean mockups of the cooperative game or of the switching
>>>>> part?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Technically, I think that the best for this would be to have a
>>>>>> different binary called pairs-collaborative that the teachers can call and
>>>>>> know what the kids will be playing beforehand.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Personally I do not like the Idea of two different application. The
>>>>> teacher won't use it at the end
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About the switch, I think that we can just add a QML overlay with the
>>>>>> name/picture that the kind can click/press and disappears.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That pretty much what I had in mind
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aleix
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Life is short, so learn from your mistakes
>>>>> And stand behind, the choices that you make
>>>>>
>>>>> Face each day with both eyes open wide
>>>>> And try to give don't keep it all inside
>>>>>
>>>>> Dream Theater
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>> Hi Marco,
>>>> I also don't like having 2 entry ways, but I also think it can be
>>>> problematic to narrow down the Pairs usage to class-only. Also I guess that
>>>> the teacher will have to set up different systems at the same time, so it
>>>> probably makes sense to find out a way to run a prepared session by the
>>>> teacher.
>>>>
>>>> What you are proposing, is to have different games and after 1 level is
>>>> done, the kid jumps to the next. To do this the teacher can run it with
>>>> pairs and the game shouldn't have space for much further configuration.
>>>> Also this could make it possible to specify the number of kids to use the
>>>> game or other parameters, additionally to the levels list.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think this makes sense?
>>>> Aleix
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Life is short, so learn from your mistakes
>>> And stand behind, the choices that you make
>>>
>>> Face each day with both eyes open wide
>>> And try to give don't keep it all inside
>>>
>>> Dream Theater
>>>
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>
> --
> Life is short, so learn from your mistakes
> And stand behind, the choices that you make
>
> Face each day with both eyes open wide
> And try to give don't keep it all inside
>
> Dream Theater
>
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