[kde-edu]: Step without kdelibs?
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Fri Feb 12 02:08:37 CET 2010
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:14:53 -0200
Tomaz Canabrava <tumaix at gmail.com> wrote:
> It uses CMake for building
> lt uses KDE dinamic library system for easily building a dll on
> windows, or a .so on unix.
> it uses KHTML, the kde html rendering library
> it uses KXMLGuiWindow for building the menus and toolbars dinamically
> from a xml file.
> KDE's configuration mechanism ( KConfigXT )
> the core is Qt only. but the ui is heavly based on KDE stuff.
> take my word for it, if you think that's too much trouble to program
> because of the kdelibs dependency, I can take a few days to guide you
> througth the code till you feel confident to try.
> don't discard anything without trying.
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> kde-edu at mail.kde.org
Thank you for your explanation! :)
Now I can see there really is a strong kdelibs dependency, but
writing a Qt GUI for Qt-based application seems just a question of time
You may think I have nothing to do and that is why I have decided to
"invent another bicycle". But this is not true. At least, this is not
completely true. I do have my regular work to do and I don't have much
time to spend for my hobby-programming, but I do like the idea of "the
only dependency". Besides, like I have already mentioned, I have a
number of friends who uses GNU/Linux operating system. Not everyone of
them uses KDE. And the problem is not only that those who don't use
KDE as their everyday desktop environment do not want to install "any
part of KDE", but the fact is that not everyone who does use KDE every
day knows about KDE-Edu project. I'm serious. I had been using KDE for
a couple of years and I have learnt about KDE-Edu project existence
only after stopping using KDE on my PC (that is about few months ago)!
Now I can see a lot of very nice and very useful (!) programs inside
of KDE-Edu project and I would like to help developing them and
presenting them to people who doesn't know about it yet.
Still, there is a strong belief among many people I know that "if I
use Gnome - I need only Gnome's libraries and I do not want any other
libraries; if I use KDE - I want to see only KDE libraries on my system
and do not want to see any other and so on". At the same time I know
that every one of my friends has both Qt and GTK libraries
installed on his/her machine. That is why they won't even hesitate
installing such great programs on their machines knowing that those
programs has only one dependency (it would be ideal) and that that only
dependency has been satisfied "a priori" on their PC.
I believe it would be great and it will help spreading an information
about KDE-Edu project and will surely attract some new users and
developers to it. I cannot see anything bad in it.
Now, talking about a technical side of a question, as now I know
there is no possibility to use Step without kdelibs so far, I think I
should do the following:
1. install Step and get into its source code;
2. find "KDE-dependent" pieces of source code there;
3. think about the possible ways to implement the same (or very similar)
functionality without using kdelibs;
4. in case of successful finding such ways, try to reimplement all the
necessary pieces one by one - step by step.
I will definitely need some help from the people familiar with Step's
source code at least during stages 2 and 3.
But I will be grateful for any help, useful information and advices
at any time!
By the way, I know about a possibility to make a "fork" of the
project and do whatever I want there, but to be honest, I do not like
such behaviour and I do not want to do that. But even if I did, my
"programming power" is definitely not enough to maintain such a
project. That is why, most of all, I would like this program (if it
becomes a reality) to be a part of KDE-Edu project. I think, this is
the only way to help each other.
I must note that when I say that I always keep in mind Marble. I
think it's just an excellent program and an excellent idea to make it
useful with- and without KDE dependencies. I like it very much and
that's why I would like to spread this idea on some other useful
Hope, you understand my reasons a little better now.
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