[kde-edu]: On teachers contributing content Was: KEduca resurrection (possible GSoC project)

Frederik Gladhorn gladhorn at kde.org
Tue Apr 20 13:32:49 CEST 2010 

Hi,
I'm happy to hear that KEduca is progressing :)
About the meeting: I'd like to join in. I will also try to invite a german 
teacher who has been helping me with Parley (he uses it at his school).

The meeting should be on IRC (freenode.net). Most of us hang out there anyway 
(#kde-edu is the channel though we can create a new channel for the meeting to 
avoid being disturbed).

I don't have much time in the near future due to traveling. How would the first 
May weekend sound? I would propose Sat/Sun May 1st or 2nd.
Time zone wise we need something to fit Europe and Brazil as far as I 
understand.

Greetings,
Frederik



On Tuesday 20 April 2010 02:11:26 Duda Nogueira wrote:
> I am At GMT-3
> 
> and you?
> 
> do you have any jabber / gtalk?
> 
> dudanogueira at jabber-br.org
> 
> Duda Nogueira
> Gerente de Projetos em Tecnologia
> www.dudanogueira.com.br
> 
> Celular: +55 31 9985-1271
> 
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Aleix Pol <aleixpol at kde.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Duda Nogueira <dudanogueira at gmail.com>
> > 
> > wrote:
> >> I am also mostly available!
> >> 
> >> Just point a date and time, and I'll be there!
> >> 
> >> :)
> >> 
> >> Duda Nogueira
> >> Gerente de Projetos em Tecnologia
> >> www.dudanogueira.com.br
> >> 
> >> Celular: +55 31 9985-1271
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Aleix Pol <aleixpol at kde.org> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Duda Nogueira
> >> > <dudanogueira at gmail.com>
> >> > 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> Anne,
> >> >> 
> >> >> Amanda told me about Akademy 2010, and when I saw the main topics
> >> >> (specially the "Connecting Our World: Social Desktop"), I thought
> >> >> that this new KEduca ideas would fit perfectly on a paper to be
> >> >> presented.
> >> >> 
> >> >> So I sent this paper to: akademy-talks at kde.org
> >> >> 
> >> >> Name: José Eduardo Campos Nogueira, aka "Duda Nogueira"
> >> >> 
> >> >> Talk Title: A Social and clouded new approach to KDE-Edu
> >> >> 
> >> >> Abstract:
> >> >> As we go towards on the usage of open source in educational projects
> >> >> with huge deployments, we need to not only provide good educational
> >> >> softwares, but ways to deliver content among software. A new,
> >> >> revamped KEduca looks like the perfect application to provide a
> >> >> platform, that will accomplish this goal, together with a remote
> >> >> portal/repository, where users/teachers can share or improve shared
> >> >> classes.
> >> >> Time needed: 30 minutes talk
> >> >> 
> >> >> About me
> >> >> When I first used open source software, it was most about servers.
> >> >> Soon, I got to use as my desktop. After this, I saw the possibility
> >> >> to use it for educational purposes. I always liked the idea of
> >> >> education + computers. Unfortunately, I couldn't always work
> >> >> directly with open source, and web development took place for a few
> >> >> years in my career. Right now I work where I always wanted: a small
> >> >> yet innovative Linux Based company (Metasys Linux), aimed to deliver
> >> >> Educational Systems to government projects with about 50.000
> >> >> delivered desktops (netbooks and desktops), and about 200.000 to
> >> >> deliver by the end of this year. All of them with KDE.
> >> >> 
> >> >> References
> >> >> As an Open Source activist, I went to some nice events in Brazil:
> >> >> FISL, Latinoware and other local events. The last event was
> >> >> Latinoware, Where I got to know Anne Marie, Sandro Andrade, Tomaz
> >> >> Canabrava, Adrian de Groot, KDHelio Castro and others, just to name a
> >> >> few. After that, I decided to work closely with KDE-EDU crew.
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Duda Nogueira
> >> >> Gerente de Projetos em Tecnologia
> >> >> www.dudanogueira.com.br
> >> >> 
> >> >> Celular: +55 31 9985-1271
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf
> >> >> 
> >> >> <annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr> wrote:
> >> >> > Yes it would be great to have an IRC meeting on this so we could
> >> >> > refine
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > topic at the Edu meeting.
> >> >> > Aleix, any date? a doodle page?
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Best regards,
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Anne-Marie
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > On Saturday 17 April 2010 14:08:48 Duda Nogueira wrote:
> >> >> >> Hi Alex!
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> That's a great idea. Deliver content among the software is
> >> >> >> definetly the way to Go!
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> However, I don't think that relying on a web content such as
> >> >> >> portal do
> >> >> >> professor is a good idea, not only for the non semantic content as
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> pointed, but mainly for the availability and stability of the
> >> >> >> whole portal.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Instead of putting the content into the software, a better aproach
> >> >> >> should be the opposite: put the software into the content.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> That's why I think Keduca can be a key software to do this job,
> >> >> >> integrating content with software.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Picture the usage: Anne wants to teach her students about calcium/
> >> >> >> milk. She will create a Keduca file, with richmedia (audio, video,
> >> >> >> images, flash, weblinks) grabed from a Creative Commons source,
> >> >> >> and can also link his Keduca class with a specific application,
> >> >> >> even linking a specific word, such as "calcium" to a command,
> >> >> >> like "kalzium
> >> >> >> calcium"
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Anne can also share her class, created on her language by clicking
> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> a button "share", and making it available on a central repository.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Later, other teacher, named Marie ;) will be able to download the
> >> >> >> shared Keduca class, improve it, use it, and share it back on the
> >> >> >> central repository.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> It can be either a crazy idea or a good vision...
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Just a quick correction: Syst, the company I work for is the same
> >> >> >> as Metasys, but we prefer to be called as Metasy, for branding
> >> >> >> matters
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> :)
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> What do you guys think about that? A meeting/brainstorm would be
> >> >> >> great!!
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Enviado de meu iPhone
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Em 16/04/2010, às 12:13, Aleix Pol <aleixpol at kde.org> escreveu:
> >> >> >> > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Duda Nogueira
> >> >> >> > <dudanogueira at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Hi there!
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > As Mauricio said, we (Syst) have total interest in keeping a
> >> >> >> > close contact with KDE and KDE-EDU, helping on improvements not
> >> >> >> > only in KEduca app, but the whole Educational stack in open
> >> >> >> > source, whenever
> >> >> >> > possible.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > It's important to note that our distro is being shipped in
> >> >> >> > thousands
> >> >> >> > of Intel Classmates. Here in Brazil we have more then 13.000
> >> >> >> > already
> >> >> >> > delivered, and more 150.000 to go, as the UCA (One Laptop per
> >> >> >> > Child)
> >> >> >> > Project from Brazil's government is being launched.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > On the desktop side, we have about 4.000 thousand schools here
> >> >> >> > in our
> >> >> >> > state, Minas Gerais, with approximately 15 computers each, all
> >> >> >> > of them
> >> >> >> > with KDE on in it.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > There is also another dekstop project, from the Communication
> >> >> >> > area of
> >> >> >> > the government, that plans to deliver 20.000 labs, each one with
> >> >> >> > 15
> >> >> >> > computers. From this total, 5.000 was already delivered, and the
> >> >> >> > rest
> >> >> >> > will be delivered on the following months.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > With KEduca, we want to share/contribute with code, expertise
> >> >> >> > and help
> >> >> >> > on stimulating teachers and institutions to develop and share
> >> >> >> > new tests/KEduca files.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > The Educational Area of our Government has an awesome portal
> >> >> >> > (http://portaldoprofessor.mec.gov.br/recursos.html) with tons of
> >> >> >> > contents (66G so far), and we think it'll be a good area to
> >> >> >> > share the
> >> >> >> > pt-br KEduca tests.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > I'll be looking closely for the KEduca-new development, as I
> >> >> >> > truly believe this will a win-win situation, and a very
> >> >> >> > interesting project!
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > Best Regards!
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > Duda Nogueira
> >> >> >> > Gerente de Projetos em Tecnologia
> >> >> >> > www.dudanogueira.com.br
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > Celular: +55 31 9985-1271
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > <annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr> wrote:
> >> >> >> > > fabulous news and indeed making it possible to exchange data
> >> >> >> > > is the
> >> >> >> > > way to go!
> >> >> >> > > Thanks a
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> > kde-edu mailing list
> >> >> >> > kde-edu at mail.kde.org
> >> >> >> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > Hi!!
> >> >> >> > I'm really happy to read such a mail. I think that such
> >> >> >> > communication between teachers and developers is definitely the
> >> >> >> > way
> >> >> >> > to go. If you are interested on working with us, we should
> >> >> >> > create some IRC meeting together (if it's not possible to meet
> >> >> >> > live) to think of some way we can do that.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > For starters, even if the website has an amazing amount of
> >> >> >> > information (I mean it, there's stuff in catalan, awesome :)) I
> >> >> >> > don't think there's much we can do with that because data is not
> >> >> >> > formatted in any semantic way but we should try to get to that.
> >> >> >> > A good start would be to make it possible to integrate some
> >> >> >> > information into kalzium, they already have wikipedia
> >> >> >> > information, why not information from "portal do professor"? To
> >> >> >> > do so we should make it possible to be able to structure the
> >> >> >> > data a little and to create some RPC interface I guess, do you
> >> >> >> > think that would be possible?
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > I think it would be great if we could provide kalgebra modules
> >> >> >> > and maybe cantor sheets for mathematical and science
> >> >> >> > information in general. I think this would be far better than
> >> >> >> > the current just-html
> >> >> >> > approach. This would bring up new needs in hosting applications
> >> >> >> > but
> >> >> >> > that's why we are here, isn't it?
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > Well, looking forward to hearing from you. And remember that
> >> >> >> > we're here for good :D
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > Aleix (KAlgebra maintainer)
> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> > kde-edu mailing list
> >> >> >> > kde-edu at mail.kde.org
> >> >> >> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >> >> > kde-edu at mail.kde.org
> >> >> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >> >> 
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> kde-edu mailing list
> >> >> kde-edu at mail.kde.org
> >> >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >> > 
> >> > Yes, the thing is that the kde edu team we're holding a meeting in the
> >> > end
> >> > of May and it would be great to start planning such stuff.
> >> > I also sent a talk proposal for KDE Edu for this year's akademy, we'll
> >> > see
> >> > how it goes. So it would be nice to share some knowledge and
> >> > intentions before we get to Tampere :)
> >> > 
> >> > On the IRC meeting, I'd let the brazilian people to choose some
> >> > timeframe
> >> > since I'm mostly available. Who would be interested on joining as
> >> > well?
> >> > 
> >> > Aleix
> >> > 
> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >> > kde-edu at mail.kde.org
> >> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >> 
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> > 
> > What's your timezone?
> > 
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