[kde-edu]: KEduca resurrection (possible GSoC project)

[Anne-Marie Mahfouf]

Hi,

I read on a blog that some work started for KEduca-New, is 
it in playground yet?
Best regards,

Anne-Marie

On Sunday 28 March 2010 15:10:26 Mauricio Piacentini 
wrote:
> Hi, list. I am currently working on a proposal to GSoC to 
resurrect KEduca,
> but before I commit to it I would like to get some 
feedback from the list.
> As you guys know, there are several schools and 
institutions down here in
> Brazil (and I am sure in other countries as well) that still 
use KEduca for
> tests, even if there are several known bugs and the app 
is not ported to
> KDE 4. This is from an IRC log between Anne-Marie and 
me, from 2007:
> 
> ---
> 
> <*piacentini*> Another guy was consterned when I told 
you about KEduca not
> being in 4.0
> <*piacentini*> He says he used it already for test with 
more than 45,000
> students
> <*annma*> oh
> <*annma*> really?
> <*piacentini*> And he changed his lecture when I told 
you this
> <*annma*> :(
> <*piacentini*> Gonna tell people that they need to 
colaborate, participate,
> or products can die
> <*annma*> yes
> <*annma*> whenever we looked at KEduca it did not 
work
> <*piacentini*> I hinted (he works on a government) that 
he could even
> sponsor someone to work on it
> <*annma*> but if we had use cases we would have fix it
> <*piacentini*> Yes, I asked him for a list of things he 
likes, things he
> does not like, what he uses
> <*piacentini*> And we talked a bit about it
> <*piacentini*> He says (really) that he estimates that 
the state has saved
> R$ 15.000 in printing when he switched to KEduca tests
> <*piacentini*> That is about U$10.000
> <*piacentini*> per quarter
> <*piacentini*> Notice that these are tests applied on 
free courses to a
> poor community, where they train people in free 
software and also in other
> stuff like mechanics, cooking, etc
> <*piacentini*> So for this sort of feedback events like 
this are good imo,
> hopefully he will get back to me, and we can use this 
story to motivate
> someone to port KEduca to KDE4, and address its 
shortcomings. I got moved,
> but my plate is more than full for now :)
> 
> --
> 
> After that Matt Williams did some work on KEduca, but 
as his plate is also
> more than full (between PhD, lots of projects and being 
the KDE Games
> module coordinator) the effort got stalled again.
> 
> KEduca ships by default in the KDE 3.5.9 based Linux 
Educacional distro,
> delivered to thousands of schools by the Brazilian 
government. (
> http://piacentini.livejournal.com/7871.html). So its user 
base is actually
> increasing, which is a problem as these people will get 
orphaned soon (next
> year) when Linux Educacional finally makes the switch to 
KDE 4.x.
> 
> I realized that we will possibly loose KEduca for good if 
we do not find an
> alternative way of supporting the port. This is why I 
considered applying
> for a GSoC slot as a student to do it. Several people 
tried to work on it
> on their spare time. but the results are not good after 
several years.
> Working in KEduca is not "sexy". The 3.x code base is, 
well, not easy to
> navigate around. Matt (with the advice of Pino) decided 
to rewrite it back
> in 2007, but this is an effort that takes a lot of free 
time, which is
> something most of us do not have, considering our 
current projects. And,
> more importantly, I think we need someone that could 
not only do the port
> as a quick summer job, but really take over the 
application and become its
> maintainer for at least two release cycles. This is 
involves an attempt to
> maintain
> compatiblity (write a converter) for older tests, and 
follow through with
> everything necessary to make sure the application gets 
included in KDE 4.6.
> So it is something that would start as a GSoC project 
(and with the initial
> monetary help that comes with it), but needs to go 
beyond that, with at
> least a 18-24 month commitment in maintaining it.
> 
> At the same time, I am currently working on my Master 
thesis at PUC-SP,
> related to educational open source software, its social 
and cognitive
> impact, which limits the time I have for open source 
development related
> to, for example, KDE Games. But it is possible that this 
work on KEduca
> could be featured a part of my thesis, so by doing this 
work as part of
> GSoC I could possibly tie several loose ends:
> 
> - the need to port KEduca
> - get Google to support the initial part of this effort 
(pay for it), as
> voluntary work on this project has failed a couple of 
times
> - reuse research work done as part of my thesis in the 
project
> 
> All in all it seems like a good thing to do, but for this I 
need to know
> what you people think about it, and (very important!), if 
one of you is
> willing to do the mentoring (Matt, Anne, Albert, Pino, 
Aleix, ..?) I also
> want to make sure the GSoC money is used for 
something that will be
> long-lived: there is a mix of applications between those 
that attract
> newcomers (which sadly go away as soon as the project 
is complete), those
> that manage to attract new and committed contributors 
(great!), and some
> that are used to support the work of existing 
community members, like this
> one.
> 
> So, opinions on this? Should I post the idea and submit a 
proposal for it?
> Or is it a waste of a good project slot :) ?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mauricio Piacentini