[kde-edu]: kde-edu Digest, Vol 49, Issue 9

Wed Apr 25 19:49:42 CEST 2007

Hi all,

I'll be on the UES in Seville next week. We are building up our community 
project to make mEDUXa code public. Last aKademy I told you guys about 
involving students through their final career project in kde-edu.

It will be possible to do so soon. I'm preparing it. If any of you (I know 
Anne-Marie Mahfouf will be there) attend, we can disscuss who to do it so I 
can present both Canary Island colleges a serious proposal that can be 
repeated aver and over again is it works fine.

My company (Grupo CPD even has a name for it)

KIM project (Kanary Islands Mentoring Project)

El Miércoles, 25 de Abril de 2007 11:00, kde-edu-request at mail.kde.org 
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>    1. Re: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu (Anne-Marie Mahfouf)
>    2. Re: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu (Theresa)
>    3. Re: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu (Theresa)
>    4. Re: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu (Carsten Niehaus)
>    5. Re: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu (Jason Harris)
>    6. Re: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu (Anne-Marie Mahfouf)
>    7. Edu & School Day at aKademy (Anne-Marie Mahfouf)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:06:52 +0000
> From: Anne-Marie Mahfouf <annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu
> To: kde-edu at kde.org
> Message-ID: <200704241206.52591.annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr>
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> Hi all,
>
> I agree with Albert and Jason that we can keep KPercentage and KBruch
> (unmaintained) and I'll look at Kanagram if Joshua has no time before the
> release.
>
> Jason: If you explain me how to do a "QA audit" maybe we could do a
> week-end or a day on IRC and get people to help. Maybe even they'll find
> maintainers.
>
> I also agree with Albert that we should get rid of KLatin.
> As the KLatin vocabulary data can be used with KVocTrain and KWordQuiz for
> vocabulary it's not totally wasted. I fixed a bug for KLatin in trunk but
> forgot to backport for 3.5.7... That says it all!
> Any objection to remove KLatin?
>
> Anne-Marie
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:17:13 +0200
> From: Theresa <rockprinzess at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu
> To: kde-edu at mail.kde.org, kde-edu at kde.org
> Message-ID: <200704242017.13616.rockprinzess at gmail.com>
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>
> Hello folks,
>
> I've read your conversations but somehow nobody mentioned KEduca?!!
>
> It seems like this app has been unmaitained for quite some while, and I
> remember talking to some of you on #kde-edu that KEduca has been dropped
> but something similar is in the pipeline for KDE4. Is that still on?
>
> I do think that the KEdutainment Suite needs an app for teachers as well!
>
> What do you think?!
>
> Theresa
>
> Am Dienstag, 24. April 2007 schrieb Anne-Marie Mahfouf:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I agree with Albert and Jason that we can keep KPercentage and KBruch
> > (unmaintained) and I'll look at Kanagram if Joshua has no time before the
> > release.
> >
> > Jason: If you explain me how to do a "QA audit" maybe we could do a
> > week-end or a day on IRC and get people to help. Maybe even they'll find
> > maintainers.
> >
> > I also agree with Albert that we should get rid of KLatin.
> > As the KLatin vocabulary data can be used with KVocTrain and KWordQuiz
> > for vocabulary it's not totally wasted. I fixed a bug for KLatin in trunk
> > but forgot to backport for 3.5.7... That says it all!
> > Any objection to remove KLatin?
> >
> > Anne-Marie
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > kde-edu mailing list
> > kde-edu at mail.kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:17:13 +0200
> From: Theresa <rockprinzess at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu
> To: kde-edu at mail.kde.org, kde-edu at kde.org
> Message-ID: <200704242017.13616.rockprinzess at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hello folks,
>
> I've read your conversations but somehow nobody mentioned KEduca?!!
>
> It seems like this app has been unmaitained for quite some while, and I
> remember talking to some of you on #kde-edu that KEduca has been dropped
> but something similar is in the pipeline for KDE4. Is that still on?
>
> I do think that the KEdutainment Suite needs an app for teachers as well!
>
> What do you think?!
>
> Theresa
>
> Am Dienstag, 24. April 2007 schrieb Anne-Marie Mahfouf:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I agree with Albert and Jason that we can keep KPercentage and KBruch
> > (unmaintained) and I'll look at Kanagram if Joshua has no time before the
> > release.
> >
> > Jason: If you explain me how to do a "QA audit" maybe we could do a
> > week-end or a day on IRC and get people to help. Maybe even they'll find
> > maintainers.
> >
> > I also agree with Albert that we should get rid of KLatin.
> > As the KLatin vocabulary data can be used with KVocTrain and KWordQuiz
> > for vocabulary it's not totally wasted. I fixed a bug for KLatin in trunk
> > but forgot to backport for 3.5.7... That says it all!
> > Any objection to remove KLatin?
> >
> > Anne-Marie
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > kde-edu mailing list
> > kde-edu at mail.kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:37:37 +0200
> From: Carsten Niehaus <cniehaus at gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu
> To: kde-edu at kde.org, rockprinzess at gmail.com
> Message-ID: <200704242037.41320.cniehaus at gmx.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Am Dienstag, 24. April 2007 20:17:13 schrieb Theresa:
> > I do think that the KEdutainment Suite needs an app for teachers as well!
> >
> > What do you think?!
>
> The same, but somebody has to do the job :) AFAIK there is simply no coder
> for KEduca or a potential successor.
>
> Carsten
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:23:54 -0700
> From: Jason Harris <kstars at 30doradus.org>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu
> To: kde-edu at kde.org
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>
> Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote:
> > Jason: If you explain me how to do a "QA audit" maybe we could do a
> > week-end or a day on IRC and get people to help. Maybe even they'll find
> > maintainers.
>
> Sure, here's what I meant in detail:
>
> First, compile a list of the program's expected behaviors.  Every single
> action the user can take while interacting with the program should be
> included.  For example, the behaviors list for KAnagram might look like
> the following:
>
> 1. Menu functions
> +  Quit program
> +  About KAnagram
> +  About KDE
> _  KAnagram Handbook
> _  Configure Kanagram opens the dialog
> _  Next word presents the next puzzle
>
> 2. General gameplay
> _  Correct answer flashes green in edit line, presents a new puzzle
> _  Incorrect answer flashes red in edit line
> _  Clicking "Hint" shows a hint (for a short period?)
> _  Clicking "reveal word" shows the correct answer
> _  Clicking on the category name switches to the next category
> _  leading and trailing whitespace is ignored when checking for a
> correct answer
> _  An answer is submitted by pressing the Enter key, or by clicking on
> the "Up arrow" button next to the line edit.
> B  Mouse cursor changes to the "click hand" over all active elements
> X  Gameplay sounds work
>
> 3. Configuration Window
> B  When opening the configure window for the first time, all options are
> synced to the actual settings being used by the program
> _  Selecting a different language works
> X  Installing chalk font works
> ?  Switching to chalk font works
> ?  Toggling sound works
> _  Create new vocabulary works
> _  Edit existing vocabulary works
> _  Delete existing vocabulary works
> X  Download new vocabularies works
> _  Default options button works
>
>
> Once you have compiled the list, you go through each one and check
> whether it works properly in the program (and under a variety of
> conditions, if applicable).  Then, you indicate whether it passed or
> not.  I use the following characters:
>
> + = correct behavior
> _ = not yet tested
> B = Buggy behavior (perhaps it works under some conditions, but not always)
> X = Broken feature
> C = causes a crash
> ? = Could not test
>
> So, for example, I found that sound did not work, I could not install
> the chalk font, and I could not install a new vocabulary using Get New
> Stuff (each of these may be due to the fact that I only have
> kdelibs+kdeedu on this machine).  Because sound and installing the chalk
> font didn't work, I was unable to test their toggles (hence the "?").
> Finally, the mouse-cursor item gets a "B" because the cursor doesn't
> change when you mouse over the KAanagram title graphic, even though it
> is clickable (it reveals the About dialog), and the initial options sync
> gets a "B" because the program initially auto-hides hints, but the
> Configure window shows "Do Not Auto-Hide Hints" for this option when it
> is first opened.
>
> It may be tempting to skip "obvious" behaviors in compiling the QA list
> (such as "Quit program", or pressing enter to submit a guess), but it is
> important to include *all* of the program's behaviors that you can think
> of.  It's amazing how often some long-overlooked bug is exposed by this
> process.
>
> In general, I try to restrict myself to the set of expected behaviors,
> as described in the handbook or implied by the GUI.  Enumerating the
> behaviors like this will inevitably reveal issues, such as usability
> issues, that could be considered outside the scope of this QA survey.
> However, we may still want to note these.
>
> For example, in KAnagram, it would be nice if the category name in the
> upper right revealed a listbox when clicking, so that any category could
> be selected.  If this is inconsistent with the kid-friendly GUI, then at
> least providing a "previous" arrow in addition to "next" would be nice.
>
> Also, when the solution is shown with "reveal word", it would make sense
> to provide some visual cue for proceeding to the next puzzle.  As it is,
> you either press the regular "Next word" button, or type in the revealed
> solution.  I was thinking of something like a next arrow drawn on the
> chalkboard itself, to the right of the revealed word.
>
> Again, issues like this are *not* the expected KAnagram behaviors, they
> are new ideas.  So they don't really belong in the QA list.
>
> regards,
> Jason
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:40:49 +0000
> From: Anne-Marie Mahfouf <annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: Unmaintained apps in kdeedu
> To: kde-edu at kde.org, rockprinzess at gmail.com
> Message-ID: <200704250540.49595.annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Tuesday 24 April 2007 18:17:13 Theresa wrote:
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > I've read your conversations but somehow nobody mentioned KEduca?!!
> >
> > It seems like this app has been unmaitained for quite some while, and I
> > remember talking to some of you on #kde-edu that KEduca has been dropped
> > but something similar is in the pipeline for KDE4. Is that still on?
> >
> > I do think that the KEdutainment Suite needs an app for teachers as well!
> >
> > What do you think?!
> >
> > Theresa
>
> YES
> But there is nobody to do it.
> Having been in contact with many teachers this year, I pushed for a KEduca
> replacement as it is their first demand. A developer said he'll do it but
> we never heard of him...
> I was tempted to start it myself but I am not up to the job, my coding
> skills are not good enough unfortunately. We need to do this as a team,
> with several people AND teachers.
>
> What can you do? You can start listing your needs, draw the interface if
> you have some ideas and scan the draw, write what the program should do.
> Start with 1 or 2 ideas and send them here. Other people will answer and
> taht will be a start already.
> If we have a developer saying "I'll do a KEduca replacement" and he'll do
> it on its own it won't succeed. YOU teachers have to start telling how you
> want it. Maybe take KEduca if you have it and look what you don't like.
>
> Another idea: at aKademy in Glasgow there will be an Edu day (see the Dot)
> and maybe we could do a workshop about KEduca.
>
> Feedback?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anne-Marie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:04:54 +0000
> From: Anne-Marie Mahfouf <annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr>
> Subject: [kde-edu]: Edu & School Day at aKademy
> To: kde-edu at kde.org
> Message-ID: <200704250704.54573.annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"
>
> Dear subscriber,
>
> You are invited to the Edu & School Day at aKademy
>                  3rd July 2007
> Department of Computer & Information Sciences,
>            University of Strathclyde
>                   GLASGOW
>
> The program so far can been seen here:
> http://akademy2007.kde.org/codingmarathon/schoolday.php
>
> We still have room for lightning talks and we are looking for feedback from
> schools or teachers. You can also send me (annma at kde.org) ideas for
> workshops.
>
> Please spread the word about this day using the flyer
> http://edu.kde.org/akademy2007/flyer.php
> Send it to teachers you know, to LUGs and all people that are involved in
> free education!
>
> Thanks in advance and I hope to meet you in Glasgow!
>
> Regards,
>
> Anne-Marie
>
> PS: If you need accomodations, please register before 30th April: see
> http://www.kde.org.uk/akademy/
>
> Wiki page (more practical information will be added there):
> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Edu%20%26%20School%20Day%20%40%20aK
>ademy%202007 (please add your name in the Attendees list)
>
>
>
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