The Send Later Agent Handbook

[Yuri Chornoivan]

понеділок, 23 вересня 2019 р. 17:14:06 EEST hw написано:
> On Monday, September 23, 2019 3:54:01 PM CEST you wrote:
> > понеділок, 23 вересня 2019 р. 16:41:35 EEST hw написано:
> > > On Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:24:32 AM CEST you wrote:
> > > > субота, 21 вересня 2019 р. 00:06:51 EEST ви написали:
> > > > > On Friday, September 20, 2019 10:01:24 PM CEST you wrote:
> > > > > > пʼятниця, 20 вересня 2019 р. 22:30:08 EEST hw написано:
> > > > [...]
> > > > 
> > > > > Thanks! :)  When you can't find the agent and it all looks entirely
> > > > > different and doesn't work like this, there is no information in the
> > > > > doc.
> > > > 
> > > > No, it looks and behaves absolutely same (the code has not been
> > > > changed
> > > > for
> > > > ~6 years, only Oxygen decoration theme has been replaced by Breeze).
> > > 
> > > That alone makes it look very different.  It's unavoidable that looks
> > > change (though a note about that won't hurt), and what are users
> > > expecting when they are looking a documentation that looks entirely
> > > different and and is almost 7 years old?  Users aren't going to
> > > recognize
> > > the documentation, especially when nothing works as the documentation
> > > says.
> > > 
> > > Please keep in mind that I was referring to the documentation because I
> > > was
> > > trying to figure out what was going and was experiencing problems with
> > > it.
> > > The program still doesn't do what the documentation says.
> > > 
> > > > [...]
> > > > To configure the agent you should create the Send Later message first.
> > > > As
> > > > it is said in the docs:
> > > > 
> > > > "Use Message → Send Later in KMail's composer window to open a dialog
> > > > which
> > > > allows you to schedule your emails to send at a specific date and
> > > > time."
> > > 
> > > What is the "composer window"?
> > > 
> > > I have been looking in the Message menu, and there is no such entry. 
> > > The
> > > first entry is "New Message...".  Where else would I look when I wanted
> > > to
> > > create a new message to send later?
> > > 
> > > I only now noticed by chance that the menu in the message editor window
> > > has
> > > an entry "Send Later".  Attaching a file is the only thing I do in that
> > > menu. When I want to send the message, I use the "Send" button --- and
> > > am
> > > being asked whether to send later or to now later or to cancel.  And
> > > when
> > > I
> > > have picked "Send later", of course I expect the messages to show up in
> > > the
> > > dialog under "File->Delayed Messages...", and I expect that they are
> > > being
> > > sent when using "File->Send Queued Messages".
> > > 
> > > What else would I expect?  Is it possible that the agent has become
> > > obsolete and there there are now two several independent ways to send
> > > messages later?
> > > 
> > > > [...]
> > > > 
> > > > > "You can put the message in your queued messages by selecting the
> > > > > Send
> > > > > Later button to schedule the message immediately."
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not sure what "queued messages" means, this outbox seems to be
> > > > > the
> > > > > only
> > > > > place showing messages designated to be sent later.  Messages in
> > > > > "Local
> > > > > Folders.outbox" may or not be sent and may or may not be removed
> > > > > after
> > > > > trying to send them --- a while I ago, I had to move the messages
> > > > > from
> > > > > "Local Folders.outbox" into a Drafts folder and to choose "Send Now"
> > > > > in
> > > > > order to send at all without too much effort.
> > > > 
> > > > The "queued messages" are the messages you have created to send them
> > > > later
> > > > (see above).
> > > 
> > > See above, I just press the Send button in the message editor and decide
> > > what to do.  When I do that, I can see the message in "Local
> > > Folders.outbox".  Do they show up anywhere else?
> > > 
> > > > It would be strange to configure delayed action without the message
> > > > itself.
> > > 
> > > When I'm ready to send the messages I have delayed, I use "File->Send
> > > Queued Messages".  There no are messages under "File->Delayed
> > > Messages..." --- I have been wondering why don't show up there.  Is that
> > > a bug?
> > > 
> > > > It depends. To be honest, my email provider (ukr.net) forbids such
> > > > tricks
> > > > with delayed messages so this feature cannot be used. This can be
> > > > thought
> > > > as a bug.
> > > 
> > > How would they prevent it?  They have no way to tell when you created
> > > the
> > > message.  The only indication that could be used could the Date: header,
> > > and IIRC the Date: header is not mandatory, and you can set the date to
> > > whatever date you like.
> > 
> > Do not have answers for all the questions asked.
> > 
> > This is free software. What works for me does not necessary work for you
> > or
> > someone else. If you think it should work in a different way it easy to
> > send patches through phabricator.
> > 
> > https://community.kde.org/Infrastructure/Phabricator
> > 
> > https://cgit.kde.org/kmail.git/
> > 
> > Documentation team will be added to reviewers automatically if you patch
> > some docbook.
> > 
> > The docbook and screenshots for the Send Later agent has been updated to
> > the latest version:
> > 
> > https://cgit.kde.org/kmail.git/commit/?
> > id=df33200a6ce2f7b753e7216b8ac6a5fa4024da7a
> 
> I understand there is no desire to fix anything.  Even if I wanted to
> provide a patch for the documentation --- which I can't because I don't
> know how things are supposed to work to begin with and the documentation is
> obviously wrong --- all patches I provided have always been ignored.  Bug
> reports are usually ignored as well.
> 
> So this is just another example of how it doesn't make any sense to do
> anything.

Ok. So there will be nothing unusual in this case.

Thanks for pushing the update of the docs anyway.

Best regards,
Yuri