Disallow or discourage use of "AI" tools (Christoph Cullmann)

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

On Fri, 2025-05-16 at 00:29 +0930, Justin Zobel wrote:
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> On 15/05/2025 23:57, Konstantin Kharlamov wrote:
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> > On Thu, 2025-05-15 at 16:09 +0200, Felix Ernst wrote:
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> > > Late reply, but I also wanted to mention that I am 100% in
> > > support of
> > > any anit-AI messaging and policies we might choose.
> > > 
> > > The wording as linked by Akseli in their first post seems like a
> > > good
> > > starting point in that regard:
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> > > > Other projects have already done something similar, see for
> > > > example: 
> > > > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/loupe-no-longer-allows-generative-ai-contributions/27327
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> > > The only use of AI I support needs all its training data to be
> > > licenced in a way that allows use for the AI training e.g. CC0 or
> > > WTFPL licence. This way I don't see ethical issues because the
> > > copyright holders have then given some sort of consenst for this
> > > use.
> > > 
> > > I wouldn't even mind if we went one step further and actively
> > > promoted e.g. Plasma as "free of AI". This does not need to be
> > > fully
> > > true, but this would be more of an activism and marketing angle I
> > > would like to see. There is a good chance though that this would
> > > not
> > > be a good use of our time but it would align with KDE Eco IMO. (I
> > > know that there are also great uses of AI, but public messaging
> > > needs
> > > to be clear and easy to understand, and there is still enough
> > > pro-AI
> > > marketing out there to the point that taking the opposite stance
> > > seems sensible to me.)
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> > I'm not sure taking fully opposite stance would be beneficial for
> > anyone. Pro-AI has a point. And most anti-AI people from my
> > experience
> > are actually anti-unlicensed-AI, i.e. not anti-AI in general.
> > That's
> > because full "anti-AI" has no benefits, so there's not much people,
> > who
> > actually are fully anti-AI. Hence, making public stance "we're all
> > anti-AI" would be harmful, not only in marketing sense, but also
> > technologically, because it would require all KDE apps maintainers
> > to
> > remove support for AI tools (think of Kate completion plugins for
> > example), which sounds like a nice way to introduce conflict in the
> > community.
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>  Ethical issues aside, AI has other impacts as well, most notably
> environmental via the huge amounts of energy required to first train
> AI and then even using it.

Maybe it's just me, but I never understood the reasoning behind "AI
consumes too much power". I mean, I am all for ecology, but this
implies improving technologies, not the opposite. Maybe I'm missing the
point, but such reason to me seems equal to "stop using phones and
computers, because they consume energy".