liquidshell in kdereview

[Albert Astals Cid]

El dissabte, 2 de desembre de 2017, a les 11:52:53 CET, Sebastian Kügler va 
escriure:
> On Sat, 02 Dec 2017 10:27:16 +0100
> 
> Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org> wrote:
> > El divendres, 1 de desembre de 2017, a les 14:05:19 CET, Sebastian
> > 
> > Kügler va escriure:
> > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:41:28 +0100
> > > 
> > > Martin Koller <kollix at aon.at> wrote:
> > > > On Donnerstag, 30. November 2017 10:04:51 CET Sebastian Kügler
> > > > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On woensdag 29 november 2017 21:23:15 CET Martin Koller wrote:
> > > > > > On Freitag, 3. November 2017 21:30:19 CET Martin Koller wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I'd like to announce an application I've implemented over
> > > > > > > the last few weeks - liquidshell
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > since more than 3 weeks have passed, I hopefully have
> > > > > > addressed all issues and I got no further comments, are there
> > > > > > any blocking points you see or can I proceed requesting the
> > > > > > move to extragear ?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > A note regarding the comment to not use the start-here-kde
> > > > > > logo: I got in contact with the visual design group and got
> > > > > > the information to stay with this logo.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I strongly disagree. Could you point me to the discussion?
> > > > 
> > > > it was mail exchange in private (german) mails with the
> > > > breeze/oxygen-icons maintainer "kainz.a" <kainz.a at gmail.com>
> > > 
> > > In any case, this is not just a visual design question, it's a
> > > branding and marketing question just as much, and a general
> > > communication and positioning question as well.
> > 
> > Yes, the logo has to be changed.
> > 
> > > I'm vetoing any move to released software at the very least until
> > > the logo has changed. I also don't think that a technical review of
> > > the code is enough to warrant us to ship liquidshell as a finished
> > > product, for the reasons that Martin Flöser pointed out. It would
> > > harm KDE as a whole and Plasma specifically (ironically, the
> > > product that you use most parts from).
> > 
> > This is an interesting position, are we supposed to subordinate
> > technical decisions to marketing now?
> 
> We are doing a review not just based on the code, but based on "is this
> suitable and a good idea for KDE to release in this way". It's not
> purely marketing, but general communication.
> 
> If I wrote a very simple application that just poppped up a Window that
> said "Krita is crap", the code could technically be totally fine, but
> it may still not be a good idea to do it. If Martin wants to release
> this under the KDE umbrella, we should make sure we're not actively
> harming other people working inside KDE.
> 
> > Also are you even sure we get better marketing by not allowing
> > liquidshell to be a KDE thing?
> > 
> > I can very well see headlines like "Plasma developers force other KDE
> > developers outside of KDE".
> > 
> > I would like to empathize that we are at our core Innovation.
> > 
> > And yes, I agree that doing a desktop shell in QWidgets doesn't seem
> > like Innovation to me, but Innovation is the process of having new
> > ideas and products.
> 
> Absolutely, but it should also be advertised in a healthy way, and
> liquidshell in its current form isn't.

Ok, so we're on the same page :)

Cheers,
  Albert