Moving Baloo and Baloo-widgets into KDE SC

Vishesh Handa me at
Sun Jan 12 11:28:09 GMT 2014

On Friday 10 Jan 2014 18:17:48 Thomas Lübking wrote:
> On Freitag, 10. Januar 2014 11:28:34 CEST, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> > with the long
> > term support workspace out, so we can recommend people to use
> > that, if they're slightly more adventurous, run 4.13
> I'm not sure whether I understand that - afaiu there will be no workspace >
> 4.11 ever, but other parts (baseapps) etc. proceed - and nepomuk/baloo
> crosses those releases.
> Ie. you'd tell them to
> - stay with workspace 4.11.x (x being the release right before the change to
> baloo) and nepomuk and also all other packages of that time (eg. 4.12.4),
> iow. simply stop updating at all or to - stay with workspace pre-baloo and
> only update other parts to baloo versions, what will likely create a mess
> in the semantic desktop stuff or to - just update as usual, accepting a
> potential friction (for clients/features "relying" on lost nepomuk)
> Ie. to either stop updating or be prepeared for migration trouble on the
> semantic desktop front.
> I think what Christoph wanted to say was:
> please don't start baloo like what ended nepomuk.
> > Communicated in the right way
> My 2¢?
> Assuming you want to replace nepomuk by baloo in SC4:
>    Draw a fat red line.
> Publically announce *now* that the sematic desktop system will get an
> internal update that will preserve general functionality, but is
> unfortunately incompatible with the present nepomuk approach. This will
> happen with [release here] in about [n] weeks, what implies to rather skip
> that particular version for productive systems - if you rely on semantic
> desktop features.
> This was decided to happen now, because KDE SC 4 will continue to be the
> "stable" KDE desktop environment for [estimated time here] and the semantic
> desktop either needs a major overhaul or is best not used at all, ie. the
> alternative would have been to schedule this for KF5 & PW/2 and declare the
> "fix" for semantic desktop issues to not use a semantic desktop.

I like this.

How should one go about this? Dot article?

> There'll be migration tools, but every further KDE SC release will not
> provide *any* support for nepomuk anymore (beyond ABI compatibility library
> stubs) If you crucially rely on a clients nepomuk features, you can check
> [wiki url] to see whether it's already available in a baloo version -
> otherwise do not update KDE SC beyond that version until it is.

> Contrary to other suggestions i can also only recommend to ditch "nepomuk"
> as name to not leave any ambiguity. According to the reasons mentioned in
> this thread ("most hated"), the name is burned anyway, but the main reason
> is that ppl. talk about semantic desktop features by the term "nepomuk" and
> that will lead to confusion since (if) you cut "legacy" nepomuk support
> ("nepomuk is running, but does not work in client xyz") So communicate that
> nepomuk (and support for it) goes, baloo comes, the semantic desktop idea
> stays - just without virtuoso.

+1 for ditching the Nepomuk name.

> Publish eg. an interview with Vishesh that outlines the major differences
> between nepomuk and baloo and the major benefits of this change.
> Cheers,
> Thomas

Vishesh Handa

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