the next step on the desktop

[todd rme]

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Nuno Pinheiro <nuno at oxygen-icons.org> wrote:
> A Segunda, 31 de Janeiro de 2011 13:54:45 Marco Martin você escreveu:
>> On Monday 31 January 2011, Nuno Pinheiro wrote:
>> > A Segunda, 31 de Janeiro de 2011 13:00:50 Marco Martin você escreveu:
>> > > On Monday 31 January 2011, Nuno Pinheiro wrote:
>> > > > > my proposal is this:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > * by default, Search and Launch on the desktop
>> > > >
>> > > > We talked about this in last tokamac remember?
>> > > > Imo a merge of krunner, activityes management, and the cashew and a
>> > > > few specific tryicons (just the hardware vital ones) into somthing
>> > > > that is allwyas visible (hinted wen a window is full scren) (btw we
>> > > > have a problem
>> > >
>> > > I still don't think this could be the place for systray icons, but i
>> > > completely agree on merging krunner and the toolbox,
>> > > with a window like the panel not always on top, always visible and
>> > > brought on top on screen edge
>> > >
>> > > > here, we need to push people to stop using full screen apps as much
>> > > > as they think its better its realy not, unless the screnn is realy
>> > > > small but for that we have the netbook  experience)
>> > >
>> > > provocation: remove the maximize button by default? ;) (as the netbook
>> > > doesn't have minimize)
>> >
>> > will talk to mgrslin this afternoon but somthing like a optimal size
>> > buton instead of max... if you clik it again it goes max.... now the
>> > apps would need to provide info to kwin about it... this comes in line
>> > with the other crazy ideas we benn cooking. worth trying IMO
>>
>> that's basically what the osx fake "maximize" button does.
>> for this a size hint is needed at the level of the wndow manager.
>> now, a qt application of course has an hint for its top level widget that
>> will be the window..
>> maybe this could be passed as atom, if still there isn't one in the netwm
>> spec (but not that i know of)
>> if the app doesn't provide an hint, it could jut fall back at be a normal
>> maximize
>
> exactly, plus i think in osx is more evil and you can't max (unless you realy
> realy want to by instaling external software).
> this would be a bit less evil than that and more of a 2 step thing....

How would we let users know?  Would the icon change?  Maybe a box for
"optimal size", then keep maximize and unmaximize buttons the same?

That leads to a couple questions: would unmaximizing automatically go
back to the optimal state?  What if someone wanted to go back to their
previous window size after going to the optimal state?  Ctrl+click
maybe returns to the previous state?  Although that lacks visibility.

-Todd