overhaul of some kcm appearance

Louai Al-Khanji louai.khanji at gmail.com
Tue Mar 17 20:23:22 GMT 2009

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Louai Al-Khanji
<louai.khanji at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Alexander Neundorf <neundorf at kde.org> wrote:
>> On Tuesday 17 March 2009, Louai Al-Khanji wrote:
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo at kde.org> wrote:
>>> > On Monday 16 March 2009, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
>>> >> have you ever wondered why kde is an island beyond those apps which go
>>> >> full monty, while gnome core technologies are more or less silently
>>> >> penetrating not only the desktop (including kde), but the entire free
>>> >> software market?
>>> >
>>> > i'd offer:
>>> >
>>> > * an allergy to anything that isn't C
>>> > * greater concern about distributions than application developers
>>> > * a total lack of pragmatism on the gtk+ people's part that prevents them
>>> > for purely ideological reasons from using anything they haven't made *
>>> > better political working with the distributions
>>> > * and finally, people who work on lower layer things like networkmanager
>>> > etc while kde remains focused a bit too much on the higher layers of
>>> > things which then naturally biases the lower layers towards things
>>> > written by "gtk+ people"
>>> >
>>> > and yes, before kde4 we had messy libraries with no internal structure.
>>> > our libraries are still "big", though not insanely so, but libkecore and
>>> > libkeui are better structured now.
>>> Sorry to butt in on the conversation and further derail it, but I
>>> think there is another important point that hasn't come up yet: it's
>>> almost impossible to ship a stand-alone application which uses KDE
>>> libraries on platforms other than *nix.
>> Well, yes. But see it like this: just since KDE4 we also run on Windows and
>> OSX, so this is still simply very new.
>> Considering the number of developers working on getting KDE running on OSX and
>> Windows (AFAIK 0 full time developers, and mostly Christian and Patrick
>> working on the Windows stuff in their spare time, with the help of a few
>> more, and a similar (maybe even less) situation on OSX), I was really
>> impressed to see that basically the complete KDE 4.2 was installed on a
>> Windows machine and many of the programs were working
>> With just a little bit manpower more, we could make a lot of progress there in
>> a short time I'm sure.
>> Alex
> I wasn't trying to belittle the effort that has gone into making
> things work; quite the opposite, I'm thrilled that there are people
> working on it, and given the available  But it is still something that
> currently is an obstacle for wider adoption of KDE libraries in
> general. I felt it needed to be pointed out that there are real
> problems that prevent people from using the libs. These issues can be
> solved, curing "C allergies" is more difficult.

D'oh, I hit send by mistake while editing the message. The truncated
sentence should finish "given the available man power the results are

- Louai Al-Khanji

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