F11 - fullscreen shortcut

Andreas Pakulat apaku at gmx.de
Thu Jun 4 22:26:16 BST 2009

On 04.06.09 20:14:16, John Tapsell wrote:
> 2009/6/4 Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org>:
> > A Dijous, 4 de juny de 2009, John Tapsell va escriure:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >>   After much discussion on kde-usability, I've added F11 as an
> >> alternative shortcut for full screen.
> >
> > I have the impression the discussion wasn't interesting at all, you wanted to
> > add it and you added it, even if people said it was a bad idea and that it
> > would be interesting to have the input of a _REAL_ usability expert and not
> > just users.
> The majority of people there were in favor of it.  There were some
> people not in favor of it, but then I've never ever seen any proposal
> that didn't have naysayers.  There was nothing particularly
> constructive from the people that said no.  I don't know why a _REAL_
> usability expert didn't add anything to the conversation, but I also
> can't particularly see what sort of input they could have provided
> (after all, this is a consistency issue, not a
> which-is-the-nicest-set-of-keys issue).

This one is not a problem of consistency among KDE apps, IMHO. _all_ KDE
apps can already, today have a default shortcut for making them
fullscreen. It might not be the one you prefer, but the same is true for
other people with your preference. If applications don't use this
action, then thats an application bug that needs fixing in the
application. Thats where consistency is broken.

And regarding consistency to other applications, so far my impression is
that F11 is mostly used by apps that have a special fullscreen mode
(like gwenview). Hence such applications should choose themselves to use
that shortcut for their special fullscreen version.

> I have no idea how to get to any kind of conclusion on these issues.
> We have no kind of authority to say yes or no on these issues.

Right, but picking a random number of posters on any of our lists as such
an "authority" is not a solution either.

> There are a lot of similar types of issues that need to be solved for
> consistency among all apps.  How can decisions be made on these
> issues?

Well, if the developers of the inconsistent applications cannot find a
decision, then those apps will stay inconsistent. Its as simple as that,
either we find a compromise or we don't. Sure that sucks, but if you
can't change a developers mind with arguments, forcing your opinion onto
him with code is not the right way. If we have 20 apps in a standard KDE
desktop and 2 of them do "X" differently than all other 18, sure enough
those 2 apps will get tons of bugreports. In turn the responsible
developers will either change their mind, or maybe KDE needs to consider
to drop the relevant apps from the standard installation - because the
developers are ignoring user wishes.


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