TT vs. the community (Re: Using StyleSheets is bad WAS Re: Konqueror lineedit Bug)

Jos Poortvliet jospoortvliet at
Wed Nov 21 17:41:34 GMT 2007

Usually I wouldn't respond on developer stuff, but I think this
warrants a response. If you go and read Aaron's response properly, you
see he makes an important point. A good relation with TT is incredibly
important, and they ARE working on making it better. Sure you can say
you where talking about facts, but I can't read your first mail in any
other way than just plain ranting. Which is incredibly

KDE 4 is gonna be great - 4.0 won't be perfect. So TT is going to work
great with us. It's not perfect yet.

I respond because I had a talk at aKademy with TT's community manager,
and even though I can be rather naive, I can't come to any other
conclusion than that TT really wants to work closer with us. As Aaron
made clear, the current not-too-perfect situation is partly due to TT
being afraid of the community - they had some bad experiences. Think
about the whole reason Gnome exists... We should be nicer - they're
providing an enormously beneficial service to us all. Sure, pushing to
improve the working relationship is OK, but do it in a slightly more
positive way, please. Or it'll backfire on us.

On Nov 21, 2007 10:10 AM, Oswald Buddenhagen <ossi at> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 05:28:38AM +0100, Thomas Zander wrote:
> > You writing these emails while I and other trolls spent a LOT of
> > effort making things work smoother is not helping.
> >
> might be. and whose fault is it that i didn't know how far those efforts
> go?
> > ( really, you think its fun to write: "oh, cool - tt-bashing. let's
> > join the party!" ?)
> >
> ... and putting a smiley with a humongous grin behind it?
> yes, i do. deal with it.
> > You can't hang back and state you'll believe it when it happens and at
> > the same time publicly and loudly put peoples efforts down as not even
> > being on your radar.
> >
> i'm not putting anything down, i'm offering simple facts as an
> explanation for the situation, including personal attitudes and
> expectations.
> anyway, given that tt got the message, this isn't productive in any way.
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