Office/ and Utilities/ menu reorganization

Nicolas Goutte nicolasg at
Fri Aug 12 12:39:45 BST 2005

On Friday 12 August 2005 11:27, Stephan Binner wrote:
> On Tuesday 09 August 2005 00:50, Christoph Cullmann wrote:
> > > > Then the so called "maintainer" should rather step back than whine
> > > > about
> > >
> > > I don't understand this.
> >
> > Me neither :)
> OK, let me elaborate on it. I feel there is a widespread "no efforts"
> attitude among maintainers of applications which are in the KDE
> modules/releases: they are glad that they don't have to package the
> applications but also don't care about increasing application versions or
> listing bugfixes/new features for releases or updating webpages or entries
> on application index sites.

But perhaps this is also due that it was automatically done once.

As far as I know it is only since Stephan kulow became the release manager 
that it was clearly stated that it was the task of the application 
maintainers (and anyway there is a very easy way to avoid to increase the 
version number by using KDE's version number.)

As for changelog, how well, I think I am not in a good position for this. ;-)

> I think this hurts KDE overall. I don't know any other Open Source project
> (including GNOME) were the packaging part of a release process is done by
> the release dude (and the other above points are accepted to be neglected).

As far as I have understood, GNOME's way is more constraints: "If you do not 
behave, you won't be released." That is a bad attitude versus volunteer 
developers. (If somebody has no time, he/she cannot create time. He/She is 
not a wizard.)

> If an maintainer doesn't increase version numbers, adds a changelog for
> making new tarball then there will be simply no new release (with new
> features) in other projects. And it's also a good way to detect which
> maintainers are still active. Those who are not making releases/tarballs
> will also likely don't care about bug reports or watch the commits to their
> applications.

> Maybe I'm wrong with the "no efforts" attitude and all those maintainers
> are actually dead - then we have an even bigger quality problem long term.

Dead, probably not. But I have seen little planned retreats. What I saw were 
most unplanned forced retreats. (That is also what makes it diffilcult to 
spot them, as you will not get a message in any mailing list.)

> Bye,
>    Steve

Have a nice day!

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