Thoughts on the systray II.

[Aaron Seigo]

On April 18, 2005 15:34, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> On Saturday 16 of April 2005 01:31, George Staikos wrote:
> > On Friday 15 April 2005 12:46, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> > > 2) converting applet-like systray apps to real applets. Aaron had some
> > > issues with this because of having bad nightmares about XEmbed, so this
> > > needs more discussion, the remaining complains can be basically solved
> > > by saying "so that needs fixing/improving" if my memory serves me well.
> >
> >    Discussions about these two at xdevconf seemed to show that everyone
> > there interested agreed.
>
>  Aaron wasn't here :). And he doesn't seem to think converting the 2) kind
> of systray apps to applet is a good idea.

that's because "applet like systray apps" is not a meaningful distinction. 
that's like saying "applications with a window". there are different types of 
applications that have windows with different sorts of needs. so SOME 
"applet-like" systray  apps should become applets, some should disapear into 
the background altogether, and some are probably best served in a simple tray 
area.

> >   What do you suggest for KWallet?  It's important to know that a wallet
> > is open.  Likewise for the print manager...
>
>  Honestly, I don't know. Unlike Aaron, I don't want just to solve the
> "systray mechanism sucks" problem, I also want to solve the "systray
> concept sucks" problem.

and this is our fundamental divide. i don't think the systray concept sucks. i 
think its abused because the way it is designed allows it to be abused. just 
because messed up once doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with the 
bathwater.

that said, i really don't see the difference between your proposed patches and 
a "better systray".

>  And the problem here is that I'd want to separate areas "my hidden apps
> are here" and "notifications are here". But KWallet or the print manager
> kind of fit in both. Maybe they could go to 1), but I'm really unsure now.

yes, the world is not a tidy place. this is where all such 
simplification-ad-absurdum type soultions start to fall apart. =(

-- 
Aaron J. Seigo
Society is Geometric
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