move klicker to kextragear

Russell Miller rmiller at
Tue Jan 20 20:25:32 GMT 2004

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Frans Englich wrote:

> But is that relevant? Does the end user know that thingy at the bottom is 
> called kicker? (Don't we use "panel" in the docs etc?)
> Afterall, it is mostly mortal people who will use KDE, not the developers ;-)
Ah, yes, making allowances for the mortal :-)

> I would suggest KMetronome (spelled correctly? :)
> Especially, if it's going into KMusic(meaning broad distribution)
> "Klicker" will be used by musicians and they now what a metronome is(sensible 
> rationalis?)
Yes, that's a rationale.  But there may also be a compromise here, for
example, when it installs, it could go into the menu as "Klicker, a 
metronome".  I'll give it some thought.  Not many people use alt-f2 either 
:) (until they become more familiar with KDE)

I don't much like KMetronome.  It doesn't roll off the tongue, it's kind 
of staid and boring (which is more of an issue for musicians than for 
corporate-type people :), and the K is just kind of plastered in the 
beginning for kicks and giggles.

> I looked at klicker, a handy little thing. I have some suggestions:
> * Make it remember the "No Sound" option. And enable it by default, AFAIK 
> people usually use a metronome for practicing sticking to tempo and then they 
> need to hear the beat.
Yes, the remembering the option is important, I need to add that.  As far 
as being enabled by default, well, once it remembers, it's kind of a moot 
point (as they set it once and it'll do it from then on)

> * AFAIK, if the "beat sound" is not atonal the metronome is, if to be used 
> when playing a instrument, practically rendered useless. Atleast if the 
> harmonies used does not play well with those A's ;-) If I have grasped 
> correctly, you don't play a sound but generates it via arts, dunno how to 
> generate an atonal sound.. If this is of interest I think you will need to 
> include a recorded "klick"/knock sound.
There's something to this, as a musician, I can say that it really 
wouldn't bother me, as the beats are short.  That said, having the option 
is a Good Thing.  I could use the noise synth in aRts with a suitable 

I need to figure out how to do this outside of aRts too.  I'd really like 
to be able to turn aRts off and still have it work.

> * Some usability stuff: 1) Skip the power LED 2) Remove the WhatsThis from the 
> toolbar - it's not used that often and your app is very good designed 3) The 
> icons goes slightly outside the buttons, perhaps it's a style issue, dunno; 
> 4) The LED's whatsthis affects emotionally in a negative way - make it 
> objective(Skip the "Do you really...").
1) Does it do any harm to have it there?
2) Hmm, appreciate the compliment, I'll take it out but leave the button 
in the title bar.
3) The bottom buttons or the top buttons?  The bottom buttons need a 
facelift, I'm no artist.  :)
4) Yeah, there is that, I should have at least added a smiley.  I'll take 
it out. (Just my strange sense of humor)

> * I have only an old "analog" metronome so I have never seen metronomes which 
> highlights the first beat in the measure - it is surely practical. That's why 
> your metronome is extra handy in 5/4 beats for example - it would be great 
> having that. Also, 6/8 would be of interest for some. In the case of 6/8 you 
> sometimes highlights the 1/6(of course) but also 4/6 which would mean a third 
> signal is needed(blink red and most left green simultaneously?).
I've got some ideas to make it work with more varied and contrasting 
rhythms.  This is only a start - 2.0 will be much nicer.  6/8 is of 
interest, but you should note that 6/8 can be either fast 6/8 (which is in 
duple) or slow 6/8 (which is triple), and those two modes can easily be 
covered by the duple and triple modes that are present now.  That said, 
you are correct in that this needs to be changed.

> But please note - IM very HO ;-)
All good suggestions, thanks.

> Jeeze.. a metronome easily turns into rocket science..
Heh.  It happens.


> Cheers!
> 			Frans

Russell Miller
rmiller at	-
Somewhere in the general vicinity of Sioux City, Iowa.

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