KDE Integration mailing-list and module

Zack Rusin zack at kde.org
Mon Jan 19 16:45:12 GMT 2004

On Monday 19 January 2004 10:18, Leo Savernik wrote:
> > You mean KDE is doomed to repeat what OS/2 did (if I got history
> > correctly?)? Offering support for the competitor api and then
> > loosing because you did only offer the basic and not all the
> > additional features of that other api in your own compatible
> > envorinment (and maybe miss to do enough promotion for the own
> > advantages?
> Hmm, now that you mention it, there are some parallels. Though on
> OS/2, MS played evil tricks on IBM too keep OS/2 from becoming a
> strong player. KDE *is* already a strong player (in the non MS
> desktop world). I don't know if gnome's existence is to "kill off
> KDE".

This thread is pretty funny. Stupid... but funny. KDE is not doomed to 
repeat what OS/2 did. Partially because it's not an operating system 
(no matter how much Rich and Ian try to write one in kjsembed) and 
secondarly because of that small detail which is: KDE doesn't, never 
has, never will support any competitor API. 
We support our own API in an alien environment. Clear? We offer our 
users ability to not feel lost when they're using apps which haven't 
been written dirrectly for KDE. Clear? 

> > And we could learn from history (oh, has that ever been done?;) by
> > doing the opposite: Offer compatibility with GNOME for KDE! Make
> > KDE apps and parts integrate into the GNOME world by writing a QT
> > style that gets the skin from a GTK style thingie. And add support
> > for the GTK/GNOME dialogs (for the sake of it, uhm). And whatever
> > more is needed.
> >
> > What about that?
> Indeed, that would be the favourable solution from a developer's
> point of view. Making a kpart-bonobo bridge, gtk dialogs, gtk styles
> (kde already does it), ... What I doubt is that any kde developer is
> willing to do this, as it would mean to work in another environment
> most of the time. Furthermore, this would mean that gnome developers
> start the initiative to make gnome better interoperate with kde.
> However, I don't know of any such attempts.

So let me get this straight: you think KDE would me more sucessful if 
everyone would be using Gnome/GnuStep/Whatever and we ourselves would 
make bindings/wrappers for our applications that would make our apps 
run natively on those desktops? I think I'm missing the whole "that 
will help KDE" point. How is enabling people to totally skip KDE and 
giving us more work to write those wrappers for other DE's going to 
make KDE more widely used? What the hell are you people talking about? 
Did you even think for a second about this before writing all that?  


Whatever kind of look you were going for, you missed.

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