3.2 issues :(

Frans Englich frans.englich at telia.com
Sun Jan 18 08:59:43 GMT 2004

On Sunday 18 January 2004 08:33, Dawit A. wrote:
> On Sunday 18 January 2004 02:10, Frans Englich wrote:
> > On Sunday 18 January 2004 08:01, George Staikos wrote:
> > >     For some reason in HEAD the kicker clock (don't know when this
> > > changed) has lost track of the fact that I like to see the date along
> > > with the time.
> >
> > Yupp, that's a feature not a bug, some people would say. I changed(with
> > consensus on kde-usability) a couple of weeks ago since it was too small
> > and cluttered on 800x600 displays. BTW, you have the date as tooltip on
> > clock.
> Please note that not everyone is subscribed to kde-usability. 

Keeping the maintainer informed is one thing but kde-usability exists for 
usability issues. If someone is not subscribed for whatever reasons, then 
that person simply misses the usability discussions, unfortunately. If  
kde-usability is not ment to be used for its purpose, it should be closed.

> If you are going to take such drastic actions the least and courteous thing 
to do
> would be to inform the maintainer. 

You mean CC'ing all the kdebase/kicker/AUTHORS?

> If you change any of the code I maintain 
> without some discussion, you will definitely hear from me. 

How is this relevant? In what way have I not done this properly? 

> Willy nilly 
> changes based on someone's idea of usability is nonsense. 

Thanks. It's not "someone's"(and that person have a name - Frans Englich), it 
was numerous people on kde-usability and /no/ objections - as already stated 
in my previous mail. I also expect you to go and pick on Aaron because he 
commited it.
Stop whining, your comments are either irrelevant or plain wrong and tell me 
why the change is bad, because I have definitely done nothing wrong when it 
comes to the "administrative" part.

This is fun! A couple of weeks ago I suggested another change and the reply 
was of similar type - no comments on the actual suggestion but instead 
rejected the idea because I didn't have enough of Respect, and then a load of 
stereotypification, playing me out as I am a little prick with no idea of 
what I'm talking about and thus my suggestion could be neglected.
You know what it smells? Corrupted power. A sick hierachy. 
I don't suck up on people - if someone proposes an idea I judge it on its 
content regardless of "karma" inside the KDE project. If the idea, for 
example mine, gets rejected on rational grounds that is of course OK and 
there's not much to proove otherwise. In other words, tell me why my idea is 
bad, and I will be quite.

It really is that simple. I didn't do the change because of personal interest 
- I did it for KDE's userbase. If someone can motivate a better choice I 
would gladly see it changed.

> You have no idea 
> at how many of the requests and discussions in kde-usability I rolled my
> eyes and said whatever... I keep seeing the same issues being harped on
> over and over again as if they have not already been discussed to death.
> Instead of wasting time with such trivialities if only a fraction of the
> people in there  could spend just a half an hour going over the bug
> database and cleaning invalid stuff out it would be a great help. 

Yes, kde-usability is probably the most unproductive place.


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