App duplication again (Re: new project in kdemultimedia)

[Neil Stevens]

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On Saturday May 04, 2002 07:39, Matthias Welwarsky wrote:
> On Saturday 04 May 2002 16:11, Neil Stevens wrote:
> > If translators don't wish to translate the new app, nobody's forcing
> > them to do so.
>
> Because we cannot release untranslated applications with KDE? 

Sure we can.  KDE is under no obligation.

> Why else
> would we have translation teams for more than 50 languages and a
> sophisticated framework if we didn't care about that?

We have translation teams because people volunteer to translate.  If these 
teams no longer wish to translate KDE in its entirety, then they shouldn't 
do so.

However, I think it'd be a terrible mistake to hold back all of KDE because 
one group doesn't want to proceed with it.  If there are enough users who 
want that untranslated app, someone will eventually step up and translate 
it.

> How on earth could translators decide on whether to translate an
> application or not? The simple rule is: everything that's in one of the
> core modules gets translated.

Using their brains?  I'm assuming here that translators aren't mindless 
automatons that translate whatever's in front of them, but rather are 
capable of deciding that one apps is more important than another.  
Translators do currently distinguish nonbeta and "others" from the 
released packages.

so, if they see 30 CD writing apps, they can say to themselves, if they 
feel that way, "This is stupid. I'll do those later, if I get around to 
it."

> What if they actually decided that they don't want to translate some
> application, for whatever reason?

Then it'd go untranslated until someone stepped up.  That's life in 
volunteer software projects.  Translations aren't the only thing that can 
make an app totally unusable for people.  KMail was worthless to many 
people until it finally got SMTP AUTH support, for example.

> > Why should translators get a double super veto over what goes into
> > KDE?
>
> Why should developers be allowed to burden loads and loads of work on
> translators for half-working applications? I think we should consider
> carefully before wasting other peoples time deliberately.

Nobody's forcing anyone to do anything.  We're all volunteers here, either 
volunteering our own time or having our time volunteered by our employer.

- -- 
Neil Stevens - neil at qualityassistant.com
"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding
because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they
have not a single political argument left." - Margaret Thatcher
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