Introduction of new Nextcloud instance

[Daniel A. Rodriguez]

El jue, 22 jul 2021 a las 2:50, Ben Cooksley (<bcooksley at kde.org>) escribió:
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> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 10:57 AM Daniel A. Rodriguez <drodriguez at libreoffice.org> wrote:
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>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 4:22 AM Noah Davis <noahadvs at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> Thank you for doing this!
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>> >> I noticed that new documents created from the new file menu button use
>> >> Microsoft Office formats (e.g., docx, xlsx). Can you swich the default
>> >> formats to OpenDocument formats?
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>> > I'm afraid the native formats of OnlyOffice are the Microsoft Office format
>> > files - which is also the format they work with internally.
>> > It therefore doesn't allow changing the default file extension it will try
>> > to create.
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>> > (With regards to ODF editing it warns that there may be some fidelity
>> > issues)
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>> > You can however override the extension when creating and it will happily
>> > respect that.
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>> > Regards,
>> > Ben
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>> I am not a KDE user but I consider this measure a big step backwards in terms of the defense of open standards that any project involved in free software should promote.
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> While I appreciate the sentiment, all we are talking about here is the default extension on the file created by Nextcloud.
> The full software stack - which is totally open source - is fully capable of reading and writing ODF (subject to some fidelity warnings - which is normal as i've different versions of LibreOffice render documents differently).
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> A default extension is quite far from a big step backwards.

Well, at least it has a considerable impact. And not in a good way.

>> You may not be aware, but there is a product developed in Taiwan that is available in a community version and provides full support for the only standard office document format: ODF. It's called OxOffice Online, it's a fork of LibreOffice Online with several improvements. In fact we are using it at the university where I work.
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>> I leave you the link, https://docs.ossii.com.tw/books/oxoffice-online-%E6%8A%80%E8%A1%93%E6%89%8B%E5%86%8A
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> Does one of those improvements include a switch to client side rendering?

That's a question for the development team, but think it doesn't

> One of the major weaknesses of LibreOffice Online is that it makes use of server side rendering, which means over connections that have anything but low latency you can actually see the tiles being refreshed - and typing does not yield an immediate response. This has been a cause of substantial complaints that Sysadmin has received regarding our present setup at share.kde.org (and some of these have come from people in Europe, so even ~50ms or so is too much for the server side rendering approach to be workable).
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> You can also see this on the Demo Nextcloud instance they have on their website (or at least I can with my 300ms or so of latency to the servers - something I don't see at all with our OnlyOffice setup) so this isn't a fault caused by our deployment.

Fair enough.