Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

Thu Dec 5 12:56:33 GMT 2019

Let me try one more time:

- We discussed this before.
- We came up with consensus on a rules compromise.
- We're discussing it again.
- You need to make a strong case why circumstances are different and the outcome of this conversation should be different from the established consensus.
- So far you're just repeating arguments.
- None of the arguments are in reference to the documented rules (even though the filter thing, which would require categorization by authors, could be written in such a way).

Consensus exists and is documented so we don't repeat debates from square one every time. Doing so anyway just because you don't agree with your peers is disrespecting others' time and not behavior appropriate for the community list, where we get *together* instead of running our own show.

This is particular so because this debate does happen in context of a particular blog post and individuals in a community deserve protection from mobs.

Cheers,
Eike

On December 5, 2019 1:47:16 PM GMT+01:00, Laszlo Papp <lpapp at kde.org> wrote:
>No, one particular party's political propaganda (repeatedly) exceeds
>getting to know someone in KDE in my opinion.
>
>Well, with that, if a KDE person does porn, or something else that is
>equally extreme, that could also be getting to know the person behind
>KDE.
>
>I think drawing a false overarching conclusion is wrong. I am calling
>particularly out on Brexit (and maybe political) propaganda. I am
>personally not against reading a cycling trip in Europe (just an
>example
>from the past) which is not so divisive as politics and Brexit in
>particular.
>
>On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:36 PM Eike Hein <hein at kde.org> wrote:
>
>> If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a
>> problem we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say. As
>a
>> community we're smart enough to understand that it's a different
>reality
>> from an occasional post. Let's have that trust.
>>
>> But let me say it again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical
>you've
>> laid out is not a new one. You're not explaining how the situation is
>> different now from back then and why we need to review the consensus
>we
>> already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like
>having the
>> Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of
>> losing a venue for that. The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a
>news
>> feed, it's a community aggregator.
>>
>> Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog
>post
>> is not meeting the necessary bar. Let's not prolong it until you come
>up
>> with something.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Eike
>>
>>
>>
>> On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <
>> kde at fuchsnet.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>> Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein:
>>>
>>>> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that
>doesn't
>>>> currently exist.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope,
>because
>>> whenever people will at political stuff, it will be  "but the other
>person was
>>> allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>> Eike
>>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Christian
>>>
>>> On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli
><kde at fuchsnet.ch>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on
>planet
>>>>> would
>>>>> post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would
>be
>>>>> simply
>>>>> overcrowded with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be
>a
>>>>> filter for
>>>>> non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about,
>well,
>>>>> KDE,
>>>>> could filter all that stuff out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian
>>>>>
>>>>> Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan
>Riddell:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> themselves
>>>>>
>>>>> as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE
>>>>>> significantly which is why I include it here.  The idea that
>talking
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> about
>>>>>
>>>>> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> reason why
>>>>>
>>>>> the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion
>>>>>> currently. I often get people thanking me for my political
>opinion
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> blogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> should be
>>>>>
>>>>> about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> are also
>>>>>
>>>>> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> developers
>>>>>
>>>>> behind KDE."  I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that
>rule.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli <kde at fuchsnet.ch>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same
>blog,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> but I
>>>>>
>>>>> can't
>>>>>>> find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums
>or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> chat:
>>>>>
>>>>>> currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for
>a
>>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>> political party. I understand that in these times there are many
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> countries
>>>>>
>>>>> with heated and important political debates, and some very
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> important
>>>>>
>>>>> global
>>>>>>> topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site.
>>>>>>> Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a
>political
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> subject
>>>>>
>>>>> that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be yet
>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>> political news/opinions feed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read
>about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> KDE, I
>>>>>
>>>>> go to
>>>>>>> planet.kde.org.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> which of
>>>>>
>>>>> your
>>>>>>> blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> important
>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please
>keep
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess where
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> it's
>>>>>
>>>>> hard to
>>>>>>> find the content people actually go there for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks and kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
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>>

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