KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure

Laszlo Papp lpapp at kde.org
Tue Feb 26 17:04:48 GMT 2019

Hi Paul,

Thank you for your feedback.

I personally still have concerns with the dot article. I am not a native
English speaker, so I am happy to stand corrected if I am wrong.

But to me, it still reads with some bias towards Matrix. I would like the
article to read as Matrix is yet another choice, not a better or worse
choice than IRC. This is to respect everyone's choice for communication
equally and fairly. The everyone to their own principle.

The principle in KDE is the manifesto, I assume. That is matrix as well as
IRC agnostic. This is a good thing.

I think it would be better not to claim at large that Matrix or IRC is
better worse than the other. It is up to the individual non-paid volunteers
to decide on pair-to-pair or group basis to decide what works for them
best. In this way, I would like the article in the end of the day to read
fairly and without favoritism.

Best regards,
Laszlo Papp

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 4:54 PM Paul Brown <paul.brown at kde.org> wrote:

> Hello Jonathan,
> > The workboard item is https://phabricator.kde.org/T10477,  it wasn't
> > tagged KDE promo, it wasn't sent to the dot-editors list
> This is true. However, there were good reasons for keeping things under
> wraps:
> Firstly nobody wanted it to pop up on some place like Reddit, have a bunch
> of
> people cascade into the servers before they were ready, then moan on line
> how
> KDE can't get anything right and "bring back KDE 3!". Safeguarding KDE's
> reputation is one of Promo's prime directives.
> So far, by the way, so good: no outlet and no social media platform has
> had
> anything bad to say about the decision.
> Getting back to being discrete until ready, the people of Matrix were
> particularly and understandably nervous about this deployment. Apart from
> the
> hit to their reputation a botched deployment would have had, they also
> have
> patrons and a disastrous, unplanned and premature release could give their
> sponsors second thoughts about supporting them again.
> > and I wasn't pinged
> As for this... well, as we are being frank here: You are not the most
> discrete
> of people and not anybody's first choice for keeping things quiet.
> Don't get me wrong, being forthcoming is a much appreciated quality in
> most
> situations involving Free Software. Your no-nonsense and upfront
> personality
> has made you a beacon of transparency, not only for KDE, but in FLOSS in
> general.
> But those particular personality traits would've not helped with this
> task,
> unfortunately.
> > (I'm the only active volunteer Dot editor).
> I'm not sure this is true, but if it is, it is probably a great time to
> ask
> for more volunteers.
> Hello Community Mailing List readers! Posts for Dot editors are now open!
> Requirements are good language skills. Knowledge of editing and
> copywriting a
> plus. Drop buy the Promo mailing list, IRC or Matrix room and we'll get
> you
> sorted.
> > I've tried to discuss problems in promo with the e.V. board and CWG in
> > the past when long term contributors have left, when the team was
> > changed from a community team to a closed access team,
> This is, to put it mildly, a misstatement. Anyone is free to join the
> Promo
> working group and everybody there helps decide what Promo does and shapes
> the
> strategy we follow.
> > when our
> > mailing lists were micro managed or when I was insulted for organising
> > a conference stall
> Are you sure? What did they say? What were the circumstances? I find it
> hard to
> believe it was gratuitous. Something like "Don't help us, you moron!"
> sounds
> way out of character of everybody I know in Promo. I feel more context is
> needed.
> But, before you answer, is it relevant to this discussion? Is it relevant
> to
> the discussion about Promo? If not, maybe start another thread or take it
> to
> CWG and see if they can solve it.
> > but I've only been dismissed or ignored
> Anything but, I'd say. When you wanted a policy for accessing social
> media,
> Promo dropped everything to make it happen. You have been active and
> contributing to Promo ever since (something which is much appreciated, by
> the
> way) and everything you have suggested has been taken into consideration
> ... Unless I have missed something. If this is the case, please tell what
> it
> is and we'll give it a second go.
> > and the
> > community at large seems happy for that to happen so I can't offer any
> > assurances of changes.
> Maybe that is because the community at large sees things differently from
> you.
> Maybe you are confabulating several non-related things which don't all
> reflect
> reality. Maybe if you took a step back and tried to see things from other
> people's points of view, you may see why sometimes not everything can be
> carried out exactly as you would wish. Making concessions is part of
> working
> within a community. Not everything important for you is important for
> everybody else.
> Cheers
> Paul
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