valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com
Mon Aug 13 01:25:19 BST 2018
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Jonathan Riddell <jr at jriddell.org> wrote:
> I had asked the CWG the following:
I will not answer the questions that Paul answered, just those to the
CWG and/or me.
> Who are the higher-ups I've been told control access to KDE social
> media accounts, how did they get their position, how are they
> accountable to KDE as a whole and how do they decide who can
> contribute to KDE's promo?
> Is it desired I have access to two of KDE's social media accounts but
> not more or should I be removed from the accounts I do have access to?
> Is there a general blockage on community members being full members of
> KDE promo or is it just a limitation for me?
Personally, I've been a middling member of the promo team, and have
felt perfectly welcome to contribute. I've seen nobody on the IRC
channel/Telegram group/mail list(s) blocked in any way. That
*includes* you. Anyone trying to block Jon, one of the longest time
contributors to promo/the Dot, would be daft. You are the one who
inspired some of us, or at least ME to become involved in promo/the
> The only answer I got was about how feeling amongst wider Linux users
> was good for Plasma these days and therefor the promo team must be the
> right setup, which confuses correlation and causation. I understood
> the CWG would take no further interest and it was surprising to see
> Valorie considered it an open issue today. Any other feedback I've
> had on the issue is just patronising comments about the need for
> review as if I was not aware of the process over the last 15 years. I
> had hoped to get back into promo having stepped back from being
> hassled last year. But as all of KDE except a few I have spoken to
> privately are happy with the current promo set up I have just stopped
> my involvement and will move on to other places where I can take a
> full part. Stuff I did which KDE may want to try to fill includes
> FOSDEM stalls, Embedded Linux Conf stall, Planet KDE, promo for Plasma
> releases beyond the announcement, articles during Akademy week, other
> random stuff as I felt the need.
Change is the only constant. Promo was severely lacking, so the e.V.
hired contractors to both do some of the grunt work of promo, but also
to build a team and a new, more structured way of handling not just
promo content, but also the timing. This was necessary because it had
not always been done well in the past, and is now better.
It is not opaque; it is quite clear and stuctured. Processes in the
promo team actually mirror quite well the growth of reviews of all
code contribution on the software side of KDE.
I'm missing talking with you, Jon. Very much. Even at the party
tonight, you didn't attend.
> On 11 August 2018 at 20:59, Paul Brown <paul.brown at kde.org> wrote:
>> On sábado, 11 de agosto de 2018 20:39:51 (CEST) Jonathan Riddell wrote:
>>> Everyone seems fine for Promo to be run in an opaque way with
>>> community members unable to take a full part.
>> What do you think is opaque, Jonathan? It would help us if you could give us
>> concrete examples so we could change anything that isn't working.
>>> That makes it
>>> uninteresting as a volunteer activity for me so I stopped doing promo
>>> again. The promo team is very welcome to work with me on Plasma
>> This is good news.
>>> although they've had a very poor record of doing this in the
>> I recall things differently, than again, we have worked with several projects,
>> (such as Kdenlive, Krita, etc.) on their releases and things have worked well.
>> I may be mixing things up. The thing is, if we can make it work for them, we
>> can sure make it work for Plasma.
>> As with other projects, for which we have representatives connected to the
>> Promo channels all day, every day, I would again like to invite you to rejoin
>> Promo actively so we can all work together openly on what's best for Plasma.
>>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 01:16:44AM -0700, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
>>> > Sorry to speak up so late in this process; however I need to make an
>>> > Akademy report.
>>> > Jon, have you worked out with the Promo team how best to coordinate
>>> > release promo in the future? If not, is there someone else in the
>>> > Plasma release team who will be taking over this duty?
>>> > I would appreciate a response today.
>>> > Valorie
>>> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Andy B <anditosan1000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > On July 19, 2018 at 9:26:03 AM, David Narvaez
>>> > > (david.narvaez at computer.org)
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Jonathan Riddell <jr at jriddell.org>
>>> > >> I did but I see nobody has an interest in me being a full part of it
>>> > >
>>> > > That's simply not true: we have all seen Paul Brown's message where
>>> > > you are invited to participate in the promo team. What you mean to say
>>> > > is that you are not allowed to be part of the promo team under your
>>> > > own rules and conditions, but when you put it like that you do not
>>> > > sound much like a victim and you lose some negotiation power.
>>> > >
>>> > > While I personally have no position regarding your one-man charge
>>> > > against the promo team (I do not have enough information to pick a
>>> > > side here), I am very much against your theatrical portrayal of the
>>> > > issue when we can all clearly see what is going on here. If you want
>>> > > to do promo under your own terms like back in the ol' days 15 years
>>> > > ago, then just say so, no need to play victim.
>>> > >
>>> > > David E. Narvaez
>>> > >
>>> > > Before we are too flustered by this interaction, let’s see what we can
>>> > > do
>>> > > now. Jon, does the team need to post anything to our twitter account? Is
>>> > > there something that needs to be out soon?
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