KDE goals IRC office hour

tetris4 tetris4 at gmail.com
Tue Apr 10 15:29:26 UTC 2018

Hi all,

As ade mentioned, this directly relates to the onboarding goal and it's
indeed something we can improve. I started an issue on Phabricator to make
sure this topic is properly tracked:

Can we continue the discussion there?


On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 3:33 PM, Adriaan de Groot <groot at kde.org> wrote:

> On Sunday, 18 March 2018 11:43:00 CET, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
>> Thanks also to Raphael Catolino for the original Docker work and for
>> still keeping at it. This is valuable not only for KDE, but for LibreOffice
>> as well while we evaluate this thing.
> So I was just playing with the Janitor service. The KDE container is
> rather broken (no desktop shell packages installed, so you don't get a
> desktop or anything, and if the screen locker comes up, then there's no way
> to enter a password -- keypresses are not registered), so I tried the
> Thunderbird container instead.
> What you get is noVNC in a browser tab, to a container instance just for
> you. You get a checkout of the sources of Thunderbird, plus whatever
> development tools you need to edit, build, and test Thunderbird. Well, I
> assume so -- TB itself has no README, INSTALL or HACKING file, and running
> configure tells me that the mail application is missing. But, in theory, if
> I knew how to work on TB, I could.
> So it's really cool, actually: "I want to help with <foo>" translates to
> "start browser and point at foo-on-janitor", and assuming foo is set up
> there, bam, start hacking already.
> It is not really clear how one would submit changes afterwards -- I guess
> it would be useful to have a "log in to GH" or "log in to KDE Phab" link on
> the desktop to make that kind of thing clear to drive-by contributors.
> Afterwards, you can just delete the container and it's gone. This could be
> *really* useful for those drive-by contributors, or people asking "how do I
> get started?" There is a risk, in the sense that pushing one container with
> one set of tools and one underlying distro *might* skew the kind of
> contributors we get.
> I suppose we should do FreeBSD + Clang + Plasma as a devel container, then
> new contributors will write non-Linuxism, non-GCCism code without noticing
> what's underneath, right? (I kid, I kid .. syscall numbers don't match up).
> Right now the service is invite-only, and some of the user-handling is a
> little weird. Once you're in the system, logging in (in the web browser, to
> be able to manage your containers) works like this:
> - enter email address in login page
> - get email, which has a one-time link which logs you in
> - click on link, and use the resulting browser tab for managing
> The (web) UI has a couple of quirks, mainly that clicking on things
> changes the cursor to "forbidden" while things happen, which can take quite
> a while. So sometimes it's click, wait, wait, hope that it completed. I
> understand there are multiple improvements to the web-UI in the works.
> My plan right now is to play with the KDE docker file until I get a feel
> for what's actually there, and to massage it (or rather, I'll suggest
> changes to R.Catolino, who maintains that particular dockerfile) towards
> some kind of "you want this workflow" setup. I somehow doubt that setting
> up a container for all possible kinds of KDE development is useful (you can
> already sort of see this in Janitor -- it's not like Rust, Firefox and
> Thunderbird are all jammed into one container, either). So in first
> instance, I'll be aiming for an up-to-date (-ish) Plasma desktop with dev
> tools installed ready to work on KMyMoney and Okular (an arbitrary
> selection).
> [ade]
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