[kde-community] Fwd: KDE Vision – towards “wholesame” solutions

Jaroslaw Staniek staniek at kde.org
Mon Feb 15 08:06:48 UTC 2016

On 15 February 2016 at 07:54, Martin Graesslin <mgraesslin at kde.org> wrote:
> On Sunday, February 14, 2016 11:57:56 PM CET Alexander Neundorf wrote:
>> > I agree that integration within our projects is important. And I
>> > believe it has suffered lately as the cohesion inside KDE became less.
>> > My gut feeling is that this should go in the mission.
>> >
>> > > I would suggest a sentence like the following:
>> > > “KDE aims to offer complete, well-integrated solutions – while
>> > > connecting
>> > > different platforms, devices and online services.”
>> >
>> > That sounds good to me.
>> To me too, but I still miss the reference that it is about software with
>> graphical user interfaces (GUI's can also have gesture or voice input etc.),
>> which Olaf seems to imply too.
> I can only repeat my advice: please don't close doors for KDE by focusing on
> GUI. There is a world beyond GUI and KDE partially already entered it. Don't
> close it.

Maybe GUI -> UI would solve that. Or "primary focus is the UI".

Indeed we don't need to say "GUI" too much, that's similar case as
with Qt - many outsiders relate it to "just" the GUI stuff, what,
depending on the reason, isn't correct or honest.

(/me as developer of KDb, non-GUI stuff, since 2004)

>> I mean, we are not targetting e.g. sensor networks built from 8bit uCs
>> communicating to some big online server, with no user intervention (which
>> would fit that description too), or are we ?
> Please ask yourself the following question: what if a project inside KDE
> started to do it? What would happen with the project? Would they stay in or
> would they leave KDE?
> I understand that you want to draw a line to define what KDE is. The danger
> here is that this will always only work to exclude things. Drawing the line is
> not easy. Just right now in your last mail you redefined GUI to include speech
> recognition so that the line would cover that. Dangerous, just dangerous. By
> leaving so much open for interpretation your drawing a line doesn't work.
> So go from the other side. Look at where KDE might be going with it's own
> projects and everything where it might go must be inside the line. And then
> you realize that the line doesn't make much sense.
> If you draw the line to exclude you must be willing to kick projects out,
> otherwise it doesn't make sense. If you don't kick them out and keep the line
> to exclude projects coming in you create a two class society, a project
> hostile to incorporating new projects.
> Both are things I don't want KDE to be. I don't want my projects being kicked
> out because they might not do GUI. Neither do I want to be part of a community
> which is excluding projects which do not fit, although KDE itself has projects
> which fit.
> Thus: don't mention GUI in the vision.
> Cheers
> Martin
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