[kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Martin Graesslin mgraesslin at kde.org
Wed Feb 3 10:40:58 UTC 2016

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 11:16:02 AM CET Adriaan de Groot wrote:
> Thomas,
> Thanks for starting this thread. I'd like to remind you (all, not Thomas
> particularly) that there are more "distributions" of KDE software (some
> including Plasma Desktop, some not) than just Linux-kernel-based-
> distributions.

if they work: sure. Out of experience with KWin I must say that they currently 
cannot provide some of our requirements (e.g. Wayland).

> Perhaps they're out-of-scope (which I could appreciate: adding another
> dimension to think along adds complexity which might scupper the whole
> thing).
> But if they're not, I'll add a few notes to Neofytos's and others' comments.
> On Tuesday 02 February 2016 23:40:44 tetris4 at openmailbox.org wrote:
> > On 01-02-2016 19:31, Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> > > On Monday 01 February 2016 13:04:37 Sebastian K├╝gler wrote:
> > >> I'm not against automated testing at all, I just think it doesn't work
> > >> at
> > >> the highest level and bears pitfalls of distros gaming the system, or
> > >> people actually care more about the number of points they get than the
> > >> actual user experience.
> Would OpenQA help here? Then you've got actual user interactions being
> played back -- but I can totally imagine that being waaay too much effort
> from an upstream perspective, to come up with QA scripts that do anything
> meaningful and are maintained relative to changes in artwork.

openQA is an interesting technology. But we first need to set it up on our own 

> > > between distributions and KDE. We have the common goal to get our
> > > software to
> > > users in the best possible shape
> Aye. But I think we should stop short of dictating "our (KDE community's)
> software will integrate with your (distro's) software as follows:", to allow
> for choice. So we need to watch out for demanding specific technologies.

Ah the old it's about choice. I don't care about choice. I care about users 
being able to use their system. If I get reports that power management doesn't 
work, because distro thinks it's a good idea to not use systemd, then I don't 
care about their right to choice. It's just stupid.

We have way too long sacrificed the experience, because we cared about choice. 
We need to move ahead. We need to dictate and don't care about choice. We need 
to stop doing bad compromises because some distros do not want to use a 
specific technology. It's totally fine if we go ahead and say our technology 
stack includes systemd, networkmanager and apparmor. If your distro cannot do 
that it's not providing the best expected experience. In reality we don't have 
the manpower to test multiple technological stacks. So why should we lie to 
ourself and allow the choice which in reality doesn't exist?

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