[kde-community] Fundraiser money handling/redistribution - Re: KDE fundraisers and things we've learned

[Albert Astals Cid]

El Dimarts, 30 de desembre de 2014, a les 19:29:47, Bruno Coudoin va escriure:
> Le 30/12/2014 18:49, Albert Astals Cid a écrit :
> > El Dilluns, 22 de desembre de 2014, a les 21:00:25, Mario Fux va escriure:
> >> Good morning dear KDE people
> >> 
> >> After KDE's first fundraiser (crowdfunding attempt) in 2012 [1] we had
> >> (or
> >> it's still ongoing) six more this year:
> >> - For the Randa Meetings 2014 [2]
> >> - For Krita: open source digital painting | Accelerate Development [3]
> >> - For Tupi: 2D Animation Software for Everyone! [4]
> >> - Make the World a Better Place! - KDE End of Year 2014 Fundraising [5]
> >> - New Unified Graphics for GCompris [6]
> >> - Kommander [8]
> >> 
> >> Money is not an easy topic
> >> but avoiding it doesn't solve the problems. And if people don't know
> >> about
> >> certain things like that they should coordinate with KDE e.V. in the case
> >> of money they won't. So it's on us to tell the community and tell new
> >> members of the community.
> > 
> > This is an interesting topic too and i wanted to bring it up for some
> > time.
> > 
> > I'd say the type of fundraiser can be split into two types:
> >   * KDE generic
> >   
> >    - For the Randa Meetings 2014
> >    - Make the World a Better Place! - KDE End of Year 2014 Fundraising
> >   
> >   * Project specific
> >   
> >    - For Krita: open source digital painting | Accelerate Development [3]
> >    - For Tupi: 2D Animation Software for Everyone! [4]
> >    - Make the World a Better Place! - KDE End of Year 2014 Fundraising [5]
> >    - New Unified Graphics for GCompris [6]
> >    - Kommander [8]
> > 
> > I'm all for specific projects doing fundraisers for their own things
> > (though as said in the previous email i'd like some more coordination
> > happening), don't think i'm not.
> > 
> > But,
> > 
> > Sometimes that projects that have had project specific fundraisers request
> > funds from the KDE eV to run a sprint.
> > 
> > KDE eV funds are not unlimited, so for me sometimes it seems that those
> > projects are being a bit unfair to the rest by running their own
> > fundraisers and then also asking for money from the common pot.
> > 
> > What would people think if for those projects that have run "big"
> > fundraisers (we don't want to put off people that did a 100€ fundraiser)
> > the KDE eV would only sponsor part of a sprint and the rest of the money
> > should come from the money they raised independently?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> My feeling is that projects begging for money 

I'd suggest you don't use "begging for money", it doesn't have a good sound ;)

> one way or another are
> either the most active or have a good plan for it.

I don't understand what you mean with this sentence to be honest.

> The rule you propose would 'punish' at KDE eV level these projects which
> may be the best candidate for the requested fund.

I don't think It would punish anyone, it think it makes money distribution 
fairer.

> What concerns me is that some projects by their nature may be easier to
> fund independently. Other low level project with deep or hidden code
> which are of major importance for the KDE infrastructure are disadvantaged.
> 
> Why don't we give KDE eV funds by comparing what the requester want to
> do with the money and what is the added value to KDE as a whole.

Because as i said, the world has a limited amount of money and so does the KDE 
eV.

When project X asks money for itself instead of asking money for KDE eV, it's 
probable that if person Y donates, then person Y may not donate to general KDE 
eV fund raisers since he'll think (i already donated) so project X gets a 
donation and not the KDE eV.

Then when project X does a sprint he is asking for funds that come from the 
KDE eV even if by running a "specialized fundraiser" it maybe made those funds 
to be smaller.

Cheers,
  Albert

> 
> Bruno.
> 
> 
> 
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