[kde-community] FOSDEM Organisation

[Carl Symons]

On 12/08/2014 12:27 PM, Rick Timmis wrote:
> Bless you Sebastian
>
> You expanded my think with clarity and intelligence, thank you.

Same here. Thank you, Sebas

>
> I am sorry i SHOUTED, that was not necessary

Thank you Rick.

And I apologize for the harsh tone of my message.

>
> I agree re personal / organisational, I had not considered it from this
> point of view.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Rick
>

Chastened and edified by sebas's message, it's clear that various parts 
of my message were ill-informed and wrong.

When KDE participates in a conference as an organization, it's important 
to make sure that there's a good fit.

This is not a slippery slope...we participate as an organization in only 
a few conferences. And our presence can be seen as approval of an event. 
We can evaluate our participation in those conferences. They are:
FOSDEM
KDE India
Mobile World Congress
Qt Contributors Summit
Qt Developer Days (Europe, US)
LinuxTag
LAkademy
Akademy-fr
Akademy-es
US grassroots events such as LinuxFest NW, SCaLE, Texas LF, etc.
Others?

It would be a simple matter to see whether or not any particular 
conference has a Code of Conduct.

More problematical...John Layt mentions "a proper Code of Conduct". It's 
not clear what that means. It's difficult to assess Codes of Conduct 
without agreed upon, objective criteria. If we're going to assess 
conferences in order to participate as an organization, someone needs to 
define "proper code of conduct".

Much more problematical...does the conference do enough to encourage 
diverse participation? Over my head.

Carl



>
> On 8 Dec 2014, at 1:44pm, "Sebastian Kügler" <sebas at kde.org
> <mailto:sebas at kde.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Rick, all,
>
>     On Sunday, December 07, 2014 00:26:08 Rick Timmis wrote:
>
>         STOP, That is Enough !!
>
>         This conversation does not belong here, it is devisive,
>         confrontational and
>         can not be resolved here..
>
>
>     That may be true for some replies, but it's not true for the discussion
>     itself. KDE considers taking part in FOSDEM as an organization. FOSDEM as a
>     conference has different standards that what KDE considers, collectively, as
>     good practice, the specific item we're talking about here is a Code of
>     Conduct.
>
>     I agree that the discussion should be held level-headed instead of in
>     headless-chicken-mode. I also think KDE has a better chance of actually
>     achieving something than individuals.
>
>     In other words, it's well worth to think of this as an organization. And
>     that's exactly what this thread should be about.
>
>         WE - The KDE Community have a responsibility, and duty first and
>         for most to
>         protect the unity of our community
>
>
>     our community, in the wider sense, yes.
>
>         PLEASE Cease with this thread of conversation.
>
>         IF YOU Feel strongly on either side of this argument then please
>         make you
>         feelings known directly to the organisers of FOSDEM
>
>
>     It's an issue at organizational level, it should be handled at organizational
>     level, not at individual level. KDE is organizing its participation, not just
>     individuals who want to attend.
>
>         PLEASE STOP..
>
>
>     Please keep the discussion level-headed and productive. While the topic might
>     not be pleasant to discuss (or read its discussions), it's an important
>     discussion to have, and this is the right place for it.
>
>     Cheers,
>
>
>
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