[kde-community] Proposal One: KDE (Core) Apps and Suites
staniek at kde.org
Wed Apr 30 19:36:14 UTC 2014
On 25 April 2014 22:12, Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday 24 April 2014 23:23:28 Jaroslaw Staniek wrote:
>> On 22 April 2014 11:31, Mario Fux <kde-ml at unormal.org> wrote:
>> > Proposal:
>> > Reduce the amount of KDE Core Apps according to a definition and release
>> > the other apps in independent groups or suites like e.g. KDE Edu, KDE
>> > Games, KDE PIM, Amarok or the Calligra Suite.
>> > Details:
>> > We could decide on a group of KDE Core Apps (for the Desktop) based on a
>> > definition like this:
>> > - Allows you to manage your files and documents (e.g. => Dolphin, Ark,
>> > K3b?) - Allows you to view documents and pictures (e.g. => Okular and
>> > Gwenview) - Allows you to watch movies and listen to music (e.g. =>
>> > Dragon and Juk) - Allows you to administrate and manage your system (e.g.
>> > => print-manager, ksane, systemsettings)
>> > - Allows you to do this in an accessible way*: (e.g. => Simon, Jovie and
>> > Co) - Allows you to write some notes and find them again (e.g. =>
>> > Kate/Kwrite)
>> One note, I would not call Kate as core app. It rather belongs to a
>> Specialized Apps group (with KDevelop, Konsole and... Kexi for
>> example). Anyone unconvinced can look at, say, Kate's Tools menu :)
>> So my idea could be to start from optics of basic user, discovering
>> personas, their
>> goals or needs, and then realistic groups would appear naturally.
>> BTW, does even "Core Apps" sound fine for the basic user?
> Core Apps is horrible in any case, it should be something like the KDE
I'd like to say thank you to everyone that shares personal opinion. Here's mine.
(While reading this please note that geek power users isn't a primary
audience for apps I am contributing to)
- 1 -
I am in contact with people (Joe Users specialized in a non-IT stuff,
and also many power users) that believe that with Calligra they are
pulling "the KDE" so they say, thank you for now. This is unfortunate
perception, phenomena that perhaps would be further analyzed.
I believe Combining releases only makes this tougher. Note, the same
time, similar people have no problem with running apps that are
technically foreign to their desktops. Now see this extreme example: I
met brilliant Linux individuals that use Notepad+ with Wine for
editing. They somehow perceive Notepad+ their favourite for some
(historic?) reason. Somehow, Notepad+ is not dragging alien
technology, and it's light enough. It's subtle, someone feel fre to
analyze that so we can see what to improve. And I do not mean just
feature comparison with Kate.
I do not see benefits of the proposal from my perspective, as author
of large KDE apps and promotor of Qt and Frameworks (in random order).
We're not controlling the deployment process, distros do so, and
distros already have their versioning, maybe grouping. While this has
known advantages, this is a rare situation in the IT industry, nearly
everyone else ships apps independent of the OS release. Maybe only
builtin apps on mobile are similar in this?
I am not fan of too superficial "groups" of apps. To be specific, I am
encouraging to first conduct mother/gradma test by asking for a
perceived meaning of things and trying to explain. Ask whether they
really care, how they feel with the extra information. How they get
- 2 -
>From another optics: if we take a modern task-orientation into
account, and own model of Activities, we'll notice that many apps
belong to many groups of tasks. Someone wants to paste a rich text
table into a mail app (and can't) and write a long report containing
data tables. For both needs Calligra Words can be explicitly or
implicitly used. Moreover both can be essential for someone.
Well, Blender and Krita can be essential for many. They put their
icons on the panel thus making personal, essential selection. Maybe
features can be categorized much better, single app can belong to many
I can truly bear with reaction of geeks when old-school/childish
versioning/naming is kept and promoted. They'll survive by composing
extra in their minds.
Long ago MS asked "Where do you want to go today?"
Perhaps at first contact we should ask the user, what do you want to do today?
- 3 -
At project management level please also note a word from a Calligra
contributor. The project is so huge that there's even lack of manpower
for maintaining change logs or feature guides. Even specification of
essential file formats take thousands of pages combined. 400+ dialogs.
400 services/types/plugins. I don't think syncing with joint releases
wouldn't add to the manpower. I would avoid anything that narrows
contributor base and user base.
Secondly, our choice of release schedule for Calligra is already
result of a nontrivial compromise. It's complex even now while we do
not have released our Frameworks to the public, something that in my
opinion can be expected as our differentiator.
regards / pozdrawiam, Jaroslaw Staniek
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