[kde-community] Proposal One: KDE (Core) Apps and Suites

Aleix Pol aleixpol at kde.org
Thu Apr 24 21:11:58 UTC 2014


On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org> wrote:

> El Dijous, 24 d'abril de 2014, a les 12:02:38, Aleix Pol va escriure:
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org>
> wrote:
> > > El Dimarts, 22 d'abril de 2014, a les 11:31:02, Mario Fux va escriure:
> > > > Proposal:
> > > > Reduce the amount of KDE Core Apps according to a definition and
> release
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > > > other apps in independent groups or suites like e.g. KDE Edu, KDE
> Games,
> > > > KDE PIM, Amarok or the Calligra Suite.
> > > >
> > > > Details:
> > > > We could decide on a group of KDE Core Apps (for the Desktop) based
> on a
> > > > definition like this:
> > > > - Allows you to manage your files and documents (e.g. => Dolphin,
> Ark,
> > >
> > > K3b?)
> > >
> > > > - Allows you to view documents and pictures (e.g. => Okular and
> > >
> > > Gwenview) -
> > >
> > > > Allows you to watch movies and listen to music (e.g. => Dragon and
> Juk)
> > > > -
> > > > Allows you to administrate and manage your system (e.g. =>
> > > > print-manager,
> > > > ksane, systemsettings)
> > > > - Allows you to do this in an accessible way*: (e.g. => Simon, Jovie
> and
> > >
> > > Co)
> > >
> > > > - Allows you to write some notes and find them again (e.g. =>
> > >
> > > Kate/Kwrite)
> > >
> > > > * A really nice promo argument. And as we as a community are
> inclusive
> > >
> > > this
> > >
> > > > is the only thing the makes sense. Make our (core) apps accessible by
> > > > default.
> > > >
> > > > About the current modules [1] we have and released it's a very
> > > > unbalanced
> > > > thing. Just compare KDEAdmin or KDEToys with KDEEdu or KDEPIM.
> > >
> > > There's no such think as "KDEAdmin" from a releasing point of view, we
> > > just
> > > release tarballs of some apps that happen to be in that "virtual"
> module
> > > in
> > > projects.kde.org, but besides that, it's just single apps.
> > >
> > > > So I think a
> > > > reduction and rearrangement is the best thing. About the release of
> > > > these
> > > > Core Apps, Edu Suite, PIM Collection and Co see one of the next
> > >
> > > proposals.
> > >
> > > > These suites or groups could then decide on their own if they want
> > >
> > > include
> > >
> > > > new apps like e.g. KBibTeX or Rkward in KDEEdu or Trojita in KDEPIM.
> > >
> > > Which is what they already do, no?
> > >
> > > > But I think these core apps (or call it differently) should be very
> well
> > > > maintained, probably team maintained, have good unit and regression
> > > > tests
> > > > and good bug triage and bug handling. Reduced to the core and let it
> > >
> > > shine.
> > >
> > > I don't think "team maintainance" makes much sense beyond basic bugs, I
> > > don't
> > > think I can fix a non trivial bug in Ark (fwiw i've tried [though not
> very
> > > hard] :D)
> > >
> > > > Next steps:
> > > > - Work on the definition for the KDE Core Apps (for Desktop).
> > > > - Decide on the applications that fulfill this definition.
> > > > - Define the minimum requirements these core apps need to fulfill to
> be
> > > > released.
> > > > - See what other suites or groups are logical and possible.
> > > > - Discuss and agree an development and review work for these core
> apps.
> > > > - Decide on a name for the "core apps".
> > >
> > > Sincerely I don't see the point of this proposal, we're already
> releasing
> > > those core apps, and yes, they need better unit tests, and they need
> more
> > > manpower, but I don't see how creating an this "Core Apps vs Suites" is
> > > going
> > > to help with these issues.
> > >
> > > Moreover I'm sure someone will be pissed off because his app is not
> > > considered
> > > to be core.
> >
> > I think that what Mario meant here, is that we need to provide hints to
> the
> > distributions regarding what applications should be shipped with a Plasma
> > Desktop installation.
> >
> > What we currently call Plasma Desktop is not a full desktop suite because
> > it lacks many applications that, arguably, are not related to Plasma but
> > Plasma depends on, again like Dolphin.
>
> Why does Plasma depend on Dolphin? I can use any other file manager just as
> well, no?
>
> Cheers,
>   Albert
>
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > >   Albert
> > >
> > > > Now please tell me your opinion in a short, constructive and polite
> way.
> > > > Details can be discussed in Randa and/or at Akademy. So let's
> > >
> > > concentrate on
> > >
> > > > the bigger ideas.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks and best regards
> > > > Mario
> >
> > Aleix
>

That is definitely a good question, I would like to hear the thoughts from
Plasma and Dolphin maintainers.
I know it's not from a technical point of view, but from a mission/vision
of the different projects point of view.

I think the Plasma project will probably want to have a greater control on
what experience the user is receiving further than the shell itself. But
maybe not.

Aleix
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