[kde-community] Proposal One: KDE (Core) Apps and Suites

[Albert Astals Cid]

El Dijous, 24 d'abril de 2014, a les 12:02:38, Aleix Pol va escriure:
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org> wrote:
> > El Dimarts, 22 d'abril de 2014, a les 11:31:02, Mario Fux va escriure:
> > > Proposal:
> > > Reduce the amount of KDE Core Apps according to a definition and release
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > other apps in independent groups or suites like e.g. KDE Edu, KDE Games,
> > > KDE PIM, Amarok or the Calligra Suite.
> > > 
> > > Details:
> > > We could decide on a group of KDE Core Apps (for the Desktop) based on a
> > > definition like this:
> > > - Allows you to manage your files and documents (e.g. => Dolphin, Ark,
> > 
> > K3b?)
> > 
> > > - Allows you to view documents and pictures (e.g. => Okular and
> > 
> > Gwenview) -
> > 
> > > Allows you to watch movies and listen to music (e.g. => Dragon and Juk)
> > > -
> > > Allows you to administrate and manage your system (e.g. =>
> > > print-manager,
> > > ksane, systemsettings)
> > > - Allows you to do this in an accessible way*: (e.g. => Simon, Jovie and
> > 
> > Co)
> > 
> > > - Allows you to write some notes and find them again (e.g. =>
> > 
> > Kate/Kwrite)
> > 
> > > * A really nice promo argument. And as we as a community are inclusive
> > 
> > this
> > 
> > > is the only thing the makes sense. Make our (core) apps accessible by
> > > default.
> > > 
> > > About the current modules [1] we have and released it's a very
> > > unbalanced
> > > thing. Just compare KDEAdmin or KDEToys with KDEEdu or KDEPIM.
> > 
> > There's no such think as "KDEAdmin" from a releasing point of view, we
> > just
> > release tarballs of some apps that happen to be in that "virtual" module
> > in
> > projects.kde.org, but besides that, it's just single apps.
> > 
> > > So I think a
> > > reduction and rearrangement is the best thing. About the release of
> > > these
> > > Core Apps, Edu Suite, PIM Collection and Co see one of the next
> > 
> > proposals.
> > 
> > > These suites or groups could then decide on their own if they want
> > 
> > include
> > 
> > > new apps like e.g. KBibTeX or Rkward in KDEEdu or Trojita in KDEPIM.
> > 
> > Which is what they already do, no?
> > 
> > > But I think these core apps (or call it differently) should be very well
> > > maintained, probably team maintained, have good unit and regression
> > > tests
> > > and good bug triage and bug handling. Reduced to the core and let it
> > 
> > shine.
> > 
> > I don't think "team maintainance" makes much sense beyond basic bugs, I
> > don't
> > think I can fix a non trivial bug in Ark (fwiw i've tried [though not very
> > hard] :D)
> > 
> > > Next steps:
> > > - Work on the definition for the KDE Core Apps (for Desktop).
> > > - Decide on the applications that fulfill this definition.
> > > - Define the minimum requirements these core apps need to fulfill to be
> > > released.
> > > - See what other suites or groups are logical and possible.
> > > - Discuss and agree an development and review work for these core apps.
> > > - Decide on a name for the "core apps".
> > 
> > Sincerely I don't see the point of this proposal, we're already releasing
> > those core apps, and yes, they need better unit tests, and they need more
> > manpower, but I don't see how creating an this "Core Apps vs Suites" is
> > going
> > to help with these issues.
> > 
> > Moreover I'm sure someone will be pissed off because his app is not
> > considered
> > to be core.
> 
> I think that what Mario meant here, is that we need to provide hints to the
> distributions regarding what applications should be shipped with a Plasma
> Desktop installation.
> 
> What we currently call Plasma Desktop is not a full desktop suite because
> it lacks many applications that, arguably, are not related to Plasma but
> Plasma depends on, again like Dolphin.

Why does Plasma depend on Dolphin? I can use any other file manager just as 
well, no?

Cheers,
  Albert

> 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> >   Albert
> >   
> > > Now please tell me your opinion in a short, constructive and polite way.
> > > Details can be discussed in Randa and/or at Akademy. So let's
> > 
> > concentrate on
> > 
> > > the bigger ideas.
> > > 
> > > Thanks and best regards
> > > Mario
> 
> Aleix