[Kde-accessibility] AT-SPI, to ATK or not to ATK...

[Bill Haneman]

On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 18:08, Philippe FREMY wrote:
...
> Of course, if someone wants to step up and code a corba bridge to AT-SPI,
> let him do this.

Sure, in fact with unlimited resources perhaps this would be the "right"
approach.  But it would be a lot of work, and would also potentially
contribute to desktop "bloat".
 
Thanks for the kind words Philippe!

> Now a small technical question: can the accessbility be coded as a separate
> library or will it become part of kdelib ?
> 
> 	regards,
> 
> 	Philippe
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pupeno [mailto:pupeno@pupeno.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:09 PM
> > To: kde-accessibility@kde.org
> > Subject: [Kde-accessibility] AT-SPI, to ATK or not to ATK...
> > 
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> > Well.
> > In the last meeting on IRC I was selected to be in charge to 
> > organize the
> > efforts to implement AT-SPI on KDE.
> > For the ones who couldn't assist or want to make a review of 
> > what AT-SPI is
> > and what ATK is, and have the whole picture, please, go to
> > http://accessibility.kde.org/events/meeting1/AT-SPIAndATK.html
> >  and some more
> > is written by Olaf in http://accessibility.kde.org/developer/
> > The question is simple, we have two options.
> > Go directly to AT-SPI, and having to deal with CORBA, which 
> > seems to be
> > complex (I don't know about CORBA, can anybody experienced in 
> > this give me an
> > overview of how complex CORBA is ?) or we can use ATK (which 
> > is much simpler
> > than CORBA acordding to Bill).
> > The problem with ATK is that is part of the gnome project 
> > (and is gobject
> > based) so, that will make KDE dependant on Gnome, or at least, KDE
> > Accessibility dependant on Gnome's libs, the advantage is 
> > that ATK is much
> > simpler to code and the ATK->AT-SPI is already working 
> > (acording to BILL).
> > The other disvantage I may see on this aproach is that we 
> > would like to have
> > a diferent aproach than ATK, add something, etc, etc. ATK 
> > doesn't implement
> > all the functionality that AT-SPI implements. I don't think we'll need
> > something that ATK doesn't provide, but if we do, we'll be stuck.
> > The problem of going directly with CORBA is that CORBA is too 
> > complex and I
> > don't want to be lost in a huge problem. KDE Accessibility 
> > would depend on
> > Corba, but depending on Gnome it depends on CORBA anyway. The 
> > advantage here
> > is the dependency of ATK/Gnome and the posibility of use 
> > another architecture
> > diferent to ATKs.
> > So, I think this decition will depend in a lot of things, 
> > including, how many
> > people want to work on implement this... if I'm alone, or 
> > alone with Gunnar
> > (wich is already working on other things as well as I am) 
> > going with CORBA,
> > something I don't know and I belive that Gunnar doesn't know 
> > either will be a
> > very hard task.
> > So, I'd like to like your opinions and points in this issue.
> > If necesary, I may take this conversation to kde-core-devel 
> > as there will be a
> > lot of people that knows about CORBA and people who may tell 
> > us how bad or
> > how not bad may be in using ATK. (If later we found that some 
> > parts of KDE
> > Accessibility has to go inside KDE core's and that that's the best
> > architecture, will be stuck with the options of being forced 
> > to choose a bad
> > architecture or make KDE core's depend on Gnome's core).
> > Thank you.
> > - --
> > Pupeno: pupeno@pupeno.com
> > http://www.pupeno.com
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> > PS: couldn't we 'simple' port ATK to KDE ? making KATK, KDE 
> > Accessibility 
> > ToolKit (let's remove the last K, KAT, nice, hu ?)
> > 
> > PSPS: does anybody know where the AT-SPI documentation can be found ?
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