lang activity proposition

Tue Oct 4 05:59:05 UTC 2016

Hello,

The idea of adding value for real life communication is nice. But seems
like It is not feasible because of limitations mentioned by
Johnny, Emmanuel and Bruno.

I will like to suggest that instead of adding a video, we can add an
example sentence containing that word. It will server the purpose of
relating it to real life conversation. However this will need a lot of
resources in terms of composing or finding such sentences and translating
them. Still I think It can be done.

Regards
Siddhesh

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Horia PELLE <horricane at gmail.com> wrote:

> I see. The idea would be then much more difficult to implement, yet still
> viable: in a comma, but viable. [image: Laughing out loud]
> The way I see it moving forward to life is „fishing” for volunteers
> involved in working with children: preschool teachers, psychology students
> working with children, etc.
> Is it OK to try to contact and persuade a few american organizations to
> produce some sample video clips?
>
> Horia
>
> *From:* JAZEIX Johnny <jazeix at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, 03 October, 2016 10:08
> *To:* gcompris-devel at kde.org
> *Subject:* Re: lang activity proposition
>
> Hi,
>
> On 10/02/16 18:00, Horia PELLE wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> In my opinion, the programming effort wouldn’t be huge: it would only
> suppose an extra button/control to open an existing clip or not. This extra
> button could be set to have a boolean behavior, i.e., to appear or not,
> depending if the clip exists (is defined) or not. The children would
> certainly love any extra information presented in a video clip, and the
> retention of that word would certainly be better.
>
> Selecting/trimming 564 clips in national languages of the countries that
> don’t have a developed film industry – yes – that would certainly be a
> difficult task. However, I believe that the users from these countries
> would be more interested in the english-french-german-spanish lang
> activities than in their mother tongue lang activity. Besides, if the
> implementation would be “boolean”, there won’t be any frustration: a clip
> either exists and then there is an extra button, or it doesn’t exist, in
> which case there isn’t any extra button.
>
> About the age pool you have mentioned, it depends very much of the parent
> and the kid: some would prefer animations, others (like my son) would go
> for the Hollywood celebrities’ acting. This is why it would be very useful
> to give the user the possibility to customize the clip.
>
>
> For me, we shouldn't let the user choose which clip it should look at.
> There was a discussion about allowing external links in GCompris a few
> times ago (https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/gcompris-devel/2016-
> February/004529.html, https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/gcompris-devel/2016-
> February/004535.html and following ones). We could think of doing like we
> do for the voices, download an external dataset containing all the videos.
> Doing like this, we won't have any issue with the potential disappearing
> links and we can embed free licensed videos (the main issue being to
> find/create them).
> For the programming effort, I don't know if Qt provides a media player
> (there is phonon or QtMultimedia but I don't know if it is enough) and if
> there is a format that could be played everywhere without codecs or if the
> format will depend on the OS (like for audio).
>
> I am not informed about copyrights, but I know that a videoclip wouldn’t
> exceed more than 30 seconds, so couldn’t it be possible to just obtain the
> copyright for free, eventually mentioning in a watermark the title, the
> year and the owning company? I mean come on, there is a good chance that
> some of these movies would be bought in the future by some of the users,
> isn’t it?
>
>
>
> A solution would be to not use existing part of movies but
> finding/creating ones with the good license. But, if we go this way, I'm
> not sure we'll have enough people to provide us the necessary resources.
>
> All in all, I still believe that my idea is viable. I hope I’m not the
> only one... [image: Smile]
>
> The idea for sure is interesting but the issues are more with the lack of
> resources and with the licenses as said by Emmanuel and Bruno.
>
> Johnny
>
>
> Horia
>
> *From:* Emmanuel Charruau <echarruau at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, 02 October, 2016 15:32
> *To:* Horia PELLE <horricane at gmail.com> ; GCompris Devel
> <gcompris-devel at kde.org>
> *Subject:* Re: lang activity proposition
>
> Hi,
>
> Is this not a too huge task?
> GCompris is translated in many languages, I doubt that this idea if
> implemented in english will be maintained in an other language.
> Then we have to think that this is for children from 2 to 10, we would
> have to find the words in kids animation movies mostly, which norrows the
> source of vocables.
> Then there is this copyright problem. If we solve it with links, who would
> do the tests to see if the links are still relevant?
> This is a really huge quantity of situation to solve for only one activity
> :( and we have little ressources :(
> But this is just my opinion :)
>
> Emmanuel
>
>
>
>
>
> 2016-10-02 13:46 GMT+02:00 Horia PELLE <horricane at gmail.com>:
>
>> I have a proposition for the lang activity. Although this activity is
>> complex, very instructive and useful for vocabulary and writing purposes, I
>> think it misses the liveliness of normal/everyday human language. The
>> reason for this inert/still feature is the “atomization” of language in 564
>> small basic words. They can be learnt individually, but in this case they
>> will only remain 564 pieces of a puzzle, with little value in real life
>> communication. In my opinion, all these 564 small blocks of language would
>> exponentially increase their learning value if they could be individually
>> exemplified with everyday human speech.
>>
>> My idea is to place a button/link near each word image, and when it is
>> clicked, it would open a popup window with an external video clip in which
>> one (or more) persons say a phrase containing that word. Ideally, that
>> phrase should be a clip from a good movie, so that pronunciation and
>> emotion could reach maximum levels.
>> In this way, the kids would learn two things: (1) to use all those 564
>> small pieces of language in real verbal communication and (2) the emotional
>> intelligence of human speech, which is a big lack in most computer-assisted
>> learning programs.
>>
>> I began to test short video clips a long time ago, on my little boy, and
>> they all proved very successful (he easily remembers them, and he likes to
>> recite/interprete these clips very often). I provided here four examples,
>> for the words coin <https://youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg> (youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg),
>> cute <https://youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI> (youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI), dog
>> <https://youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8> (youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8) and huge
>> <https://youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY> (youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY) → please take a
>> look at them. Maybe they aren't the best examples or format, but you can
>> feel the fluent everyday language and the broad spectrum of human emotions
>> + body language of these short clips.
>>
>> Of course, the copyrights would certainly raise serious concerns, but if
>> this problem could not be solved by GCompris team, then it could be easily
>> overcome by the individual user. What I mean is that GCompris could provide
>> by default a link of a clip without copyright problems, but the user could
>> be given permission to customize the link and place his/her own link, with
>> the preferred video clip.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>
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