<div dir="ltr">Hello,<br><br>The idea of adding value for real life communication is nice. But seems like It is not feasible because of limitations mentioned by Johnny, Emmanuel and Bruno. <br><br>I will like to suggest that instead of adding a video, we can add an example sentence containing that word. It will server the purpose of relating it to real life conversation. However this will need a lot of resources in terms of composing or finding such sentences and translating them. Still I think It can be done. <br><br>Regards<br>Siddhesh<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Horia PELLE <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:horricane@gmail.com" target="_blank">horricane@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I see. The idea would be then much more difficult to implement, yet still
viable: in a comma, but viable. <img style="BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE:none;BORDER-LEFT-STYLE:none;BORDER-TOP-STYLE:none;BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE:none" class="m_-6569966720935956680wlEmoticon m_-6569966720935956680wlEmoticon-laughingoutloud" alt="Laughing out loud" src="cid:011FCD5C39734BC2B5ADE0751C1EEAF6@PCHoria"></div>
<div>The way I see it moving forward to life is „fishing” for volunteers
involved in working with children: preschool teachers, psychology students
working with children, etc.</div>
<div>Is it OK to try to contact and persuade a few american organizations to
produce some sample video clips?</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="jazeix@gmail.com" href="mailto:jazeix@gmail.com" target="_blank">JAZEIX Johnny</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 03 October, 2016 10:08</div>
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<div class="m_-6569966720935956680moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br><br>On 10/02/16 18:00, Horia PELLE
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<div>In my opinion, the programming effort wouldn’t be huge: it would only
suppose an extra button/control to open an existing clip or not. This extra
button could be set to have a boolean behavior, i.e., to appear or not,
depending if the clip exists (is defined) or not. The children would certainly
love any extra information presented in a video clip, and the retention of
that word would certainly be better.</div></div></div></blockquote>
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<div>Selecting/trimming 564 clips in national languages of the countries that
don’t have a developed film industry – yes – that would certainly be a
difficult task. However, I believe that the users from these countries would
be more interested in the english-french-german-spanish lang activities than
in their mother tongue lang activity. Besides, if the implementation would be
“boolean”, there won’t be any frustration: a clip either exists and then there
is an extra button, or it doesn’t exist, in which case there isn’t any extra
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<div>About the age pool you have mentioned, it depends very much of the parent
and the kid: some would prefer animations, others (like my son) would go for
the Hollywood celebrities’ acting. This is why it would be very useful to give
the user the possibility to customize the
clip.</div></div></div></blockquote><br>For me, we shouldn't let the user choose
which clip it should look at. There was a discussion about allowing external
links in GCompris a few times ago (<a class="m_-6569966720935956680moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/gcompris-devel/2016-February/004529.html" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/<wbr>pipermail/gcompris-devel/2016-<wbr>February/004529.html</a>,
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and following ones). We could think of doing like we do for the voices, download
an external dataset containing all the videos.<br>Doing like this, we won't have
any issue with the potential disappearing links and we can embed free licensed
videos (the main issue being to find/create them).<br>For the programming
effort, I don't know if Qt provides a media player (there is phonon or
QtMultimedia but I don't know if it is enough) and if there is a format that
could be played everywhere without codecs or if the format will depend on the OS
(like for audio).<br>
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<div>I am not informed about copyrights, but I know that a videoclip wouldn’t
exceed more than 30 seconds, so couldn’t it be possible to just obtain the
copyright for free, eventually mentioning in a watermark the title, the year
and the owning company? I mean come on, there is a good chance that some of
these movies would be bought in the future by some of the users, isn’t
it?</div>
<div> </div></div></div></blockquote><br>A solution would be to not use
existing part of movies but finding/creating ones with the good license. But, if
we go this way, I'm not sure we'll have enough people to provide us the
necessary resources.<br><br>
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<div>All in all, I still believe that my idea is viable. I hope I’m not the
only one... <img style="BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE:none;BORDER-LEFT-STYLE:none;BORDER-TOP-STYLE:none;BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE:none" class="m_-6569966720935956680wlEmoticon m_-6569966720935956680wlEmoticon-smile" alt="Smile"></div></div></div></blockquote>The
idea for sure is interesting but the issues are more with the lack of resources
and with the licenses as said by Emmanuel and Bruno.<br><br>Johnny<br>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="echarruau@gmail.com" href="mailto:echarruau@gmail.com" target="_blank">Emmanuel Charruau</a>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 02 October, 2016 15:32</div>
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<div> </div></div>Is this not a too huge task? <br>GCompris is translated
in many languages, I doubt that this idea if implemented in english will be
maintained in an other language.<br></div>Then we have to think that this is
for children from 2 to 10, we would have to find the words in kids animation
movies mostly, which norrows the source of vocables.<br></div>Then there is
this copyright problem. If we solve it with links, who would do the tests to
see if the links are still relevant?<br></div>This is a really huge quantity
of situation to solve for only one activity :( and we have little ressources
:(<br></div>But this is just my opinion :)<br><br></div>Emmanuel<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2016-10-02 13:46 GMT+02:00 Horia PELLE <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:horricane@gmail.com" target="_blank">horricane@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>I have a proposition for the lang activity. Although this activity is
complex, very instructive and useful for vocabulary and writing purposes, I
think it misses the liveliness of normal/everyday human language. The reason
for this inert/still feature is the “atomization” of language in 564 small
basic words. They can be learnt individually, but in this case they will
only remain 564 pieces of a puzzle, with little value in real life
communication. In my opinion, all these 564 small blocks of language would
exponentially increase their learning value if they could be individually
exemplified with everyday human speech.</div>
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<div>My idea is to place a button/link near each word image, and when it is
clicked, it would open a popup window with an external video clip in which
one (or more) persons say a phrase containing that word. Ideally, that
phrase should be a clip from a good movie, so that pronunciation and emotion
could reach maximum levels.</div>
<div>In this way, the kids would learn two things: (1) to use all those 564
small pieces of language in real verbal communication and (2) the emotional
intelligence of human speech, which is a big lack in most computer-assisted
learning programs.</div>
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<div>I began to test short video clips a long time ago, on my little boy,
and they all proved very successful (he easily remembers them, and he likes
to recite/interprete these clips very often). I provided here four examples,
for the words <a href="https://youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg" target="_blank">coin</a> (<a href="http://youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg" target="_blank">youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg</a>), <a href="https://youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI" target="_blank">cute</a> (<a href="http://youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI" target="_blank">youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI</a>), <a href="https://youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8" target="_blank">dog</a> (<a href="http://youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8" target="_blank">youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8</a>) and <a href="https://youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY" target="_blank">huge</a> (<a href="http://youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY" target="_blank">youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY</a>) → please take
a look at them. Maybe they aren't the best examples or format, but you can
feel the fluent everyday language and the broad spectrum of human emotions +
body language of these short clips.</div>
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<div>Of course, the copyrights would certainly raise serious concerns, but
if this problem could not be solved by GCompris team, then it could be
easily overcome by the individual user. What I mean is that GCompris could
provide by default a link of a clip without copyright problems, but the user
could be given permission to customize the link and place his/her own link,
with the preferred video clip.</div>
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<div>What do you think?</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
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