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[Sebastian Sauer]

On 11/21/2011 03:20 PM, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote:
>
> Please read what I've done for you: free research :) What you write is
> a game - not in conflict more than the Words app from 2008 is with
> Calligra Words.

Ah, indeed. Thanks :-)

> What I wrote is Abacus THE spreadsheet that is dead. I have no problem
> with games called kexi and there actually are such games IIRC :)
>
> As for Calligra prefix good that you mention this. That's nonsense to
> expect we'll ever see it used _each_ time people refer to the app.

But that is exactly the idea. It is also how e.g. OO.org is market. You 
will find close to nowhere people talking about "Calc" but it's always 
"OpenOffice.org Calc" or "OpenOffice.org Spreadsheet" or "OpenOffice.org 
Excel".

> Or
> in a handbook even or in the GUI. People will use Krita, Kexi and so
> on for obvious reason, the same they use Photoshop, Excel and so on.

No. Krita, Kexi, Photoshop, Excel, Powerpoint are all standalone names. 
People are using the last 3 even for alternate products like OO.org 
Calc, Gimp or OO.org Impress in the same way "googling" can today also 
mean searching something in the internet using the MS bing search-engine.

In germany people say "photoshoping" to describe the case that an image 
was manipulated and Powerpoint for all kind of presentations including 
HTML5 or Latex ones. That is when a brand becomes to successful :-)

> So there's requirement to have name that is distinct enough when used
> alone. Just like Corolla is recognizable without Toyota prefix. Toyota
> Car is not.

Well, we try establish one brand: Calligra. We do *NOT* even try to 
establish the "Words" or "Tables" brands stand-alone cause the 
possibility to succeed on that is way lower then you and me winning in a 
casino at the same time the jackpot (I never go to casinos what makes it 
0%).

Kexi and Krita are very different in that and we are all pretty aware of 
that. Krita has already established it's brand and so back then the 
decision was to not give that up. Makes lot of sense. The same goes for 
Kexi. That is why we did not rename them to follow our "common name" 
idea else Kexi would probably be e.g. "Calligra Data" and Krita 
"Calligra Raster".

> All these reasons sum up to the core problem of Tables name but we did
> not know all this for sure year ago.

As I wrote I don't think it is a problem but a feature. The idea was do 
use names that cannot be used stand-alone and then refer to the 
applications by using brand + name what means Calligra Tables and not 
Tables.

I really think that if we are going to change that then we need a more 
wider discussion about our naming. This is by far not only related to 
Tables but also to Words, Stage and Plan.

>> In any case I think that are exactly the reasons why we should have a
>> discussion at the mailinglist before.
> Exactly, so we do ^
> People are not activated more in the topic, that's also good thing.
>

Activated?