results from

[Elvis Stansvik]

Den måndagen den 21:e november 2011 skrev Sebastian Sauer<mail at dipe.org>:
> On 11/21/2011 02:43 PM, C. Boemann wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It
>>>> was a poll to cut down a list we compiled during the sprint. Out of
that
>>>> poll comes a suggestion. You are free to make another suggestion.
>>>
>>> Is that a proposal to redo the "poll / voting"? Cause else it would not
>>> make any sense... or do you suggest to now take only Abacus (and Tables)
>>> from the list + add my (and other) suggestions and then do the actual
>>> voting on them?
>>
>> No need to redo. To poll was to give input into the further process. So I
>> propose to take only Abacus, Spreads, Tables + add yours (and other)
>> suggestions and then that may end in a decision (by vote or otherwise).
>
> Okeli. Thanks for clarification.
>
>>> Also I would like clarification about;
>>> 1. Do we only take 1 (the proposal with the most votes) from the list or
>>> the first 2 or 3 or... ?
>>
>> We take the poll and look at what people thought. Nothing more nothing
less.
>>
>>> 2. What if Mek things "but I think KSpreadsheet would be a nice name too
>>> but I would like to know if others from the community see it the same"?
>>> Do we redo everything then?
>>
>> No we don't redo anything but anyone can make a poll about another set of
>> names (including or not names from the first poll). It's input and
provides
>> much clearer result than many mails. Still it is Marijn's decision or if
he
>> defers it to a decision making vote.
>
> But that means we exclude him from the decision that could have taken
place at our mailinglist (where him and me btw could have participated at)
and not at the sprint (where neither him nor me where able to participate).
>
> I think doing such a finding with him together would not only increase
the possibility for adoption but maybe would also provide valuable input to
all of us. I mean maybe he was lately thinking that the Tables-name is not
good too and maybe even has already an idea for an alternate name? Cannot
harm to share here as soon as possible.
>
>>> 3. As basic requirement for such a voting I would like to know who is
>>> allowed to vote. I prefer here an inclusive and not exclusive process
>>> here. In any case it would be nice to know;
>>
>> I don't recall us ever having exclusive voting, so why would it be
different in
>> the future.
>
> Okeli. Well, sometimes it happens but accident. How that list of names
was assembled is probably a good example. It just happens to exclude those
who where not there. Surely the same can happen with a mailinglist (e.g.
being in holidays) but then it's more the own fault to not check every few
days mails rather then not doing a trip around the globe.
>
>>> a) what are the requirements to be allowed to vote?
>>> b) I like to know who was allowed to vote so I am sure nobody was
>>> excluded (I guess by defining point a we would already cleared that
point)
>>
>> You mean the poll? All who asked were obviously sent a link to vote, but
i'm
>> not going to disclose emails and how people voted. If anyone think I
excluded
>> them they had a week to raise their voice on the ML.
>
> I see and I trust you on that. Still I would like to make it easy for
anybody to give there opinion/input/ideas. That still can mean they are not
allowed to have an actual vote but input/ideas are great to have especially
on something like finding a name. Maybe some genius, who did not contribute
before, shares an amazing idea for a name? Nothing is impossible (remember
how we found the Calligra-name).

Sitting on the bus reading this and got a (perhaps whacky) idea; how about
Calligra Crunch ? :)

Cheers,
Elvis

>
> That's why a discussion on a mailinglist is so great. Sometimes
bikesheding (aka as much input/ideas as possible) is what you like to have.
See e.g. the latest KDE wallpaper-contest :-)
>
>>> 4. How is the counting done?
>>
>> Condorset rules. Don't know the exact math and don't really care. We
have used
>> that site before and it appears to be accepted by a wider audience as
fair
>
> Ah, ok. I wasn't aware that the software does the counting. Thanks.
>
>>> 5. What do others think about the proposed names?
>>
>> Not that people aren't allowed to say so now, but the point of a vote is
to
>> collect such opinions in a balanced and no noise way.
>
> And that is where I don't agree. I already do not think a voting would be
needed at all but in any case I think the voting comes at the very end of a
longer process. I mean you should be able to form an opinion. That means
input, input and more input. As more sources as better else we could all
just do what FOX-news says and be fine.
>
>>>> In the end it's
>>>> up to Marijn. He could then perhaps set up a formal election or not.
But
>>>> we don't have unlimited time until the first Calligra release,
>>>
>>> Now jaroslaw wrote there are discussions going on since more then a
>>> year... and now shortly before the release it's pushed cause nobody was
>>> motivated to make it a public topic for suggestion before? Now I am very
>>> sure that something smells with the whole decision and voting process.
>>
>> It has come up on irc many times. And it makes sense to bring it up
formally
>> before it's too late.
>
> I see. So, it's a timing-problem why the process looks so wrong. That is
very good news cause it means it's not a common issue in our decision
making/finding but an issue in our time-management :-)
>
> Did anyone ping Mek on IRC about that? Is he aware? Do we have alternate
suggestions to the rename to solve the IRC-communication / bugzilla
problems?
>
>>>> and cutting away
>>>> early ideas that never has a chance will make the rest of the
discussions
>>>> more qualitative.
>>>
>>> And add Grids, Blocks, Boxes, Flat and  "Numbers n shit" to the list of
>>> 10 possible choices?
>>
>> huh?
>>
>
> Well, I think neither of them really matches to the "name says what the
application is about" idea. They are just more worse then whatever we had
before including KSpread. Grids=painting? Blocks=building? Boxes=design?
Flat=huh? "Numbers n shit"=okeli, a joke.
>
> _______________________________________________
> calligra-devel mailing list
> calligra-devel at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-devel
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/calligra-devel/attachments/20111121/6a31bc7b/attachment.htm>