[Feedback] What did you do with Amarok?

Tue Jul 28 18:22:41 UTC 2009

Well, it'd be nice to get a reply on the same day and not wait 10
days.  If you're willing to finance a bug wrangling team, you'll get
it =)  As a sidenote, you'll find that bug reports on some other
projects won't get answered for months.

The further information should go into the bug report, and it'll be
taken from there.  That's not actually any debug info, but see the
reply on the bug report for more details.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Eric Altendorf<ericaltendorf at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Alejandro
> Wainzinger<aikawarazuni at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Eric Altendorf<ericaltendorf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Alejandro
>>> Wainzinger<aikawarazuni at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Eric Altendorf<ericaltendorf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Well, it would be nice if Amarok could play FLACs from the beginning.
>>>>> Like, really, the beginning.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would also be nice if it didn't consistently fail to read FLAC
>>>>> metadata (possibly solved in recent versions I've tried)
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be nice if having 200 compilation albums didn't litter the
>>>>> artists list with 3000 random artists.  (Finally solved, yay.  Amarok
>>>>> 2 was totally unusable before "Various Artists" came back.)
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be nice if Amarok didn't try to create symlinks on vfat
>>>>> filesystems on ipods when you try to sync them.  Not only does Amarok
>>>>> manage to corrupt the ipod, but in the process it throws up several
>>>>> thousand "Can't create symlink" dialog boxes.  Useful.
>>>>
>>>> If by sync, you mean copy all of your local collection to the iPod,
>>>
>>> Well, copy anything to the ipod.  Even a single track.
>>>
>>>> copying should not generate symlinks, and the copying is done by KIO
>>>> anyway, so I'm not sure what Amarok is doing wrong.
>>>
>>> Yeah, it's very weird.
>>>
>>>>  I've never
>>>> experienced this, and I haven't seen a bug report on it, but link me
>>>> if I'm wrong, I'd like to take a look at it just in case.
>>>
>>> Hmm, it would be a lot easier for me to find it if bugs.kde.org had
>>> functional search and/or a way to list bugs, open or closed, that one
>>> has filed oneself. :)  Lemme go dig....
>>>
>>> Ok, here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200690
>>>
>>> It was of course filed and ignored.  :(  I have tried copying tracks
>>> to my ipod about a dozen times, across different versions of amarok2,
>>> and even after having completely reformatted my ipod.  Always the
>>> same.
>>
>> If you check, there was a reply, and no follow-up.  Can't do anything
>> about that.  Can't do anything with no further info.  You telling me
>> it happens over and over, also doesn't help me.  Need debug info, iPod
>> model, etc.  But you didn't reply to that bug, "of course."
>
> Look at the date on the reply.  It was from about an hour ago, as a
> result of this current discussion. :)
> Comment #1 From Lydia Pintscher  2009-07-28 19:09:07
>
> The bug sat ignored for 10 days prior to that.  I see no other comments on it.
>
> I'm happy to provide more information if I am asked for it.  The ipod
> is a nano 4g, 16gb, black (yeah, for some reason the color of the ipod
> results in a different model code :).
>
> I provided as much debug info as I could in the initial bug report,
> but I can try to collect more if you can tell me what you need.
>
> --eric
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be nice if album art could be loaded at some size larger than
>>>>> the miniscule default.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, I have filed detailed bug reports for the more severe of these issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Overall, yeah, Amarok2 killed a lot of good features, provided no
>>>>> valuable new features, and most of all, broke a lot of basic
>>>>> functionality.  The most recent versions I've picked up have be
>>>>> re-approaching the "usable" state, so I do have hope for Amarok2 some
>>>>> day being good again, but man things have sucked really bad for a long
>>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Generic speech is all very well and good for FUD, but could you
>>>> explain _which_ good features were "killed," which of the new features
>>>> are not "valuable" and which basic functionality is broken?  Also,
>>>> what is required until you consider Amarok 2 "usable?"
>>>
>>> What I missed when moving to amarok2:
>>> 1) Proper support for playing FLACs from the beginning (still broken)
>>> 2) Proper support for reading FLAC metadata (maybe fixed)
>>> 3) Support for "Various Artists" (like I said, essential if you have
>>> 200 comp albums, fortunately fixed)
>>> 4) Reliable support for iPod
>>
>> Ok good, details.  I guess by reliable support you mean reliable
>> support for your iPod which is having some strange kind of trouble
>> copying.  Again, need more info in bug report.
>>
>>>
>>> If I can see all my music (2 and 3), play it properly (1), and put it
>>> on an ipod (4) I have really all I need from a music player.  I have
>>> tried many other music players and they all have their own
>>> problems....
>>>
>>> Right now I am on Amarok2 and just suffering through (1), hoping it
>>> will be fixed, and using gtkpod for (4).  gtkpod is a piece of crap,
>>> but it does manage to get (not all) music onto the ipod.
>>>
>>> --eric
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --eric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Ian Monroe<ian.monroe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:06 AM, Gary
>>>>>> Steinert<gary.steinert.ml at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday 27 July 2009 01:25:06 mail at enricojoerns.de wrote:
>>>>>>>> Enrico Jörns sent a message using the contact form at
>>>>>>>> http://amarok.kde.org/en/contact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just want to point out very quickly how dissapointed I am after having
>>>>>>>> used the 2nd generation of Amarok.
>>>>>>>> How could you remove all the very good things that made Amarok to my
>>>>>>>> veryvery favourite music player?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was nearly shocked how bad 2.1 is!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No possibilty to delete files out of playlist
>>>>>>> This has been part of the playlist since 2.0 was released IIRC. Either right
>>>>>>> click -> Remove from Playlist or use the icon at the bottom of the playlist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He means delete files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No possibility to hide the contex window (heard fixed now!?)
>>>>>>>> No playlist shuffle option (or too much hided?)
>>>>>>> Shuffle and repeat are under the Playlist menu. We're working on getting it into
>>>>>>> the main window, but the playlist will need a bit of a rethink before we will
>>>>>>> be able to manage it without cluttering the screen too much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amarok 2.1 doesn't have a shuffle feature, though 2.2 will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No more possibility to easy rename id3 in playlist for multiple songs..
>>>>>>> This is working at least in trunk. Never had call to test it before now so I
>>>>>>> don't know what its like in 2.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well its certainly not as easy as in Amarok 1.4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hardly any configuration for everything
>>>>>>> Like what exactly? Because our audio is handled by phonon, a lot of the audio
>>>>>>> settings have moved to the global KDE settings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Amarok 2.2's whole layout will be configurable. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...and many more of those little nice things that brought Amarok 1.4 along!
>>>>>>> We have lost a few features, but we haven't taken anything out of Amarok
>>>>>>> without careful consideration. There are features that we haven't been able to
>>>>>>> implement yet due to other restrictions. Like the graphic equaliser which,
>>>>>>> until recently was not supported by phonon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But if you take a look at 2.1, you'll find a great deal of new and interesting
>>>>>>> features, such as a big increase in the number of internet services that you
>>>>>>> can access right from within Amarok. And a new, more powerful scripting
>>>>>>> interface that will allow a whole new array of scripts to be written.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, sorry, but as long as I can, I will try to youse the old Amarok, hope
>>>>>>>> it will run in 4.0 too...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please bring back life to Amarok! There are so many people who wish that!
>>>>>>> Amarok is very much alive =) It's just evolved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree. :) Amarok 2.1 already has everything I need, outside of some
>>>>>> regressions with the dynamic playlist which I'm working on now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian
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