Some of the things needed for 1.0

[Carl Symons]

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Shantanu Tushar Jha <jhahoneyk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Carl,
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> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Carl Symons <carlsymons at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Markus Slopianka <markus.s at kdemail.net>
>> wrote:
>> > On Sonntag 02 Oktober 2011 15:19:47 Ivan Čukić wrote:
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>> >> If calligra ppl want to implement pdf and other format's support,
>> >> fine, if not we can't use it.
>> >
>> > At least PDF support is definitely planned.
>> >
>> >
>> >> If yes, we can use it, but not before it
>> >> becomes more stable, like okular currently is.
>> >
>> > You called for a touchscreen version of Okular which requires a
>> > completely new GUI which
>> > is _currently_ not available.
>> > Embedding the Okular KPart in Calligra would combine Okular's stability
>> > with Calligra's
>> > touch GUI. That would be a relatively easy stop-gap solution until
>> > native Calligra PDF
>> > support is ready.
>> >
>>
>> There is an immediate use case for showing presentations on the
>> tablet. In fact, that's one of the primary ways I expect to be using
>> it.
>>
>> I've just experimented with a presentation that I will be giving later
>> this week to a real live customer. Okular works; Calligra Active
>> doesn't.
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> I guess you tried it with a PDF, that won't work. (read below)

I was experimenting with the different applications in response to the
discussions on the activeMailingList. The upcoming presentation is the
first one with major implications. I intend to use the tablet with
Plasma Active & Contour, even if it requires some tweaks.


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>>
>> Okular may not have what people here consider a touchscreen interface,
>> but it works fine for me. There are no reasonable obstacles to its
>> use. I would prefer not to have to be so precise in selecting menu
>> choices, but in several such operations, there was only one error.
>>
>> Trying to get Calligra Active to work with stop-gap solutions is a bad
>> idea.
>>
>> Secondary consideration...
>> I'm not working in the technology; I'm a reasonably well informed
>> user. I support Calligra's push to parity with other FOSS office
>> suites, and am willing to sacrifice somewhat to in that support.
>> However, with the ExoPC/openSUSE/PlasmaActive/Contour set-up, Calligra
>> Active, I'm mystified.
>
> That is so because it is designed by someone (me :P) who frankly didn't have
> good experience with touch UIs. Still making improvements, but yes I agree
> the pace isn't good.

It's not a complaint. I greatly appreciate everything that the team
has done. I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who presents
and demos. Not a techie. Someone who sees that the entire KDE
community offers something rare in the world. I'm also picky. I'm not
going to try something with the tablet unless I know how to make it
work. Getting it right is more important than getting it now.

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>>
>> I select Calligra Active and am presented with a screen showing a list
>> with purty icons...Document, Spreadsheet, Presentation, Open Document.
>> Pressing Open Document opens a file open dialog. Pressing any other
>> button does nothing.
>>
>> PDFs won't open in Calligra Active. ODPs open with the slides taking
>> about 50% of the available screen area in the upper left corner. There
>> is no apparent way to resize them. The slides can be moved to the
>> center of the screen, and retreat to upper left when released.
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> Thanks for bringing this to notice, I was so engaged in other stuff[1] that
> I didn't pay attention to the slides appearing smaller. Somehow I think I've
> used a absolute zoom factor which worked on my laptop screen but not
> everywhere. I'm trying to fix this one.
> PDFs are not yet supported in CA, sorry.
>
> [1] Desktop search integration, so now the other three buttons work :)
>

Thank you, Shantanu. I appreciate your kind response to my harsh
comments. My intention is to show Plasma Active and KDE at their best.
I am not complaining or blaming.

Carl
>>
>> As it currently is, Calligra Active is not ready for the tablet.
>> Favoring it over Okular shows Plasma Active in a bad light.
>>
>> Carl
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