power button on panel

[Fania Bremmer]

puh, maybe a short phone call would shorten up and solve those kind of 
discussions more quickly?
So, I try to give feedback as well....

Am 06.12.2011 21:30, schrieb Thomas Pfeiffer:
> On Tuesday 06 December 2011 18:00:31 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
>> suggested criterion:
>>
>> * the item must require global access (from apps or from the home screen)
>> * the item must not be a duplicate of functionality elsewhere
>> * the item must be fault-tolerant to accidental presses
>> * the item must not interfere with the pull down functionality of the bar
> I agree, accept for the second point: It might make sense to have
> functionality duplicated in the panel if all other points (especially the
> first one) apply.
agreed to the criterias, even if i think a lot of our current icons, 
also SLC, doesn't fulfill all criterias yet.
#3 and #4 happen to me a lot while interacting with PA.

Also one comment: the order of the icons seems to me kind of random. For 
me an audio control is less of priority than
the wifi connections. The order from left to right should display the 
hight of priority, no? At least here in europe, where
we read from left to right...


>> hibernate is unlikely to be supported; shutdown can be achieved with
>> long-hold on the power button.
> If hibernate is not supported, it definitely needs to be removed from the
> battery icon menu (the button currently available there at least on Meego).
In the Balsam image this is already done, if I understood sebas 
correctly. Marco wanted to ask for the patch to apply
the same thing for MeeGo.

> Long-hold on the power button is an emergency power-off. This has the risk of
> losing data because applications aren't terminated properly, hasn't it? We
> should not offer this as the only shutdown option.
Agreed, a clean shut down that offers response to open dialogs and data 
questions is needed.
This is why we put the "shut down" in the option dialog.

> I personally even miss logout and reboot
What do you mean by logout? The normal lockscreen?
Reboot is currently needed because of the instability of the system. In 
a better world this should be never needed by an end user, thats
why we dropped it. Every device offers a hard shut down or for example 
the WeTab the press of front and back Hardware Button - triggers
a reboot as well.


So, short explanation what the current implementations concept was (as 
discussed already in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=287228):
- long press on hardware button: hard shutdown. We need this, we have 
this, I guess this is sorted.
- short press on hardware button: suppose to trigger the lockscreen 
instantly. This would shorten up the multi-step-process as Aaron 
suggested. I would go for that as well. If we put another 
sleep-in-N-Seconds rule might be a feature of PA3
- Press elsewhere to trigger the other options Lock/Sleep/"smooth" 
shutdown: the reason for putting software button in the panel was, that 
I asumed we cannot control every hardware button on any device. So I 
thought we need another option, in the UI, to offer the user these kind 
of functionality. Am I wront here? I agree that a duplicate Lock-Mode is 
not urgently necessary. But a distinction between sleep, lock and clean 
shutdown is needed, in my opinion.

I understood that the current suggestion covers:
- Locking -> short press on hw button -> here also the option of putting 
to sleep
- hard shut down -> long press on hw button

What about the clean shutdown?

Sorry, I got a bit confused by the amount of text in this discussion :/
Fania