Introduction and Bug of the Month

Nate Graham nate at kde.org
Thu Dec 8 20:14:22 GMT 2022


Sounds good, let's do it!

Nate



On 12/7/22 23:27, AnnoyingRains wrote:
> Draft 2, hopefully quite a bit shorter
> 
> - - -
> 
> Happy New Year KDE Developers!
> 
> To celebrate the new year, the KDE Gardening team would like to 
> reintroduce Bug of the Month, everyone’s favourite monthly bug-related 
> KDE programme! (Although that might be due to a lack of competition…)
> 
> This month (January 2023)‘s bug is ID 391905:
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905 
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
> 
> ALL developers are invited (and encouraged) to participate in this 
> programme, as, in my opinion, one of the most important things about 
> growing an install base in an open source software project like this 
> one, is proving that we listen to and work for our community.
> 
> Far too many long-standing bugs exist in KDE software, and the last 
> thing a user wants to see when trying to find a solution to an issue 
> they are having, is a bug report that has seemingly been ignored by KDE 
> developers for years on end. This is frustrating as an end user, and 
> causes many to give up on the project entirely, losing us market share.
> 
> If you’re wondering how this programme is different from the 15 minute 
> bugs programme hosted by Nate Graham:
> * bug of the month is one bug per month, where 15 minute bugs may be many
> * the bugs may **not** be visible within 15 minutes of hitting the desktop
> * bug of the month has an emphasis on long-standing issues.
> * both affect a large amount of users
> 
> Well then, thanks for reading right to the end, and again, happy new 
> year! :)
> 
> - Kye Potter, KDE Gardening
> 
> On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 at 4:36 pm, Nate Graham <nate at kde.org 
> <mailto:nate at kde.org>> wrote:
> 
>     I'd say condense it a bit if you can; people are more likely to get to
>     the end if it's not so long. :)
> 
>     Nate
> 
> 
>     On 12/6/22 22:20, AnnoyingRains wrote:
>      > Great, let’s do that, and relaunch the programme on 1/1/2023 at
>     12:00 am
>      > (ish) UTC.
>      >
>      > I say UTC as KDE is international, so using the international
>     standard
>      > for time makes sense.
>      >
>      > I have a rough draft of the announcement we could post to the
>      > development mailing list below:
>      >
>      > –––
>      >
>      > Happy New Year KDE Developers!
>      >
>      > To celebrate the new year, the KDE Gardening team would like to
>      > reintroduce Bug of the Month, everyone’s favourite monthly
>     bug-related
>      > KDE programme! (Although that might be due to a lack of competition…)
>      >
>      > For those of you who have been with us for a while, you might
>     remember
>      > that the last Bug of the Month was back in February 2016(!), but
>     we are
>      > planning to bring this programme back into action by kickstarting it
>      > with this bug:
>      > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
>      > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>
>      >
>      > ALL developers are invited (and encouraged) to participate in this
>      > programme, as, in my opinion, one of the most important things about
>      > growing an install base in an open source software project like this
>      > one, is proving that we listen and work for our community.
>      >
>      > Also, fixing old bugs that affect many users, often gains us
>     positive
>      > press, like here:
>      > https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4 <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4>
>     <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4 <https://youtu.be/Bxlf9v-SWW4>> . Note
>     how
>      > positive this is, even though the bug was actually a feature request!
>      >
>      > Far too many long-standing bugs exist in KDE software, and the last
>      > thing a user wants to see when trying to find a workaround for a
>     bug or
>      > weird behaviour, is a bug report that has seemingly been ignored
>     by KDE
>      > developers for years. This experience is very frustrating as an end
>      > user, and causes many to give up on the project entirely, losing us
>      > market share.
>      >
>      > In case you’re wondering how this programme is different from the 15
>      > minute bugs programme hosted by Nate Graham, this programme is
>     only one
>      > bug per month, where the bugs may not be visible within 15
>     minutes of
>      > hitting the desktop, but still affect a large amount of users,
>     and with
>      > an emphasis on long-standing issues.
>      >
>      > Well then, thanks for reading right to the end, and again, happy new
>      > year! :)
>      >
>      > - Kye Potter, KDE Gardening
>      >
>      >
>      > On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 2:20 pm, Nate Graham <nate at kde.org
>     <mailto:nate at kde.org>
>      > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >     1 is clearly better; let's do that. I actually looked into it
>     a few
>      >     months ago but got demoralized by the complexity of the code,
>     but I'm
>      >     not really a real engineer. Maybe I'll give it a shot again.
>      >
>      >     Nate
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >     On 12/6/22 19:38, AnnoyingRains wrote:
>      >      > Good points, we could use this (much more minor) bug:
>      >      > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>
>      >      > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391905>>> instead. It could easily
>      >      > be fixed in a month, as there are two ways to handle this bug:
>      >      >
>      >      > 1: add a trash can icon to the global themes menu (just
>     like how
>      >     there
>      >      > is one in the other menus)
>      >      >
>      >      > 2: rename the "Get New Global Themes" button to "Install
>     and Manage
>      >      > Global Themes"
>      >      >
>      >      > On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 11:57 AM Nate Graham <nate at kde.org
>     <mailto:nate at kde.org>
>      >     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
>      >      > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
>     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>> wrote:
>      >      >
>      >      >     I think it depends on how we want to conceptualize
>     this. The
>      >     harder the
>      >      >     bug is, the more time we'll need to budget for it, and the
>      >     bigger the
>      >      >     risk that it doesn't get done--which is just the
>     status quo,
>      >     so I guess
>      >      >     not that big of a risk, except for maybe demoralizing
>     people
>      >     and making
>      >      >     the initiative seem like a failure.
>      >      >
>      >      >     FWIW I think the bugs for the 15-minute bug initiative
>      >      >     (https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
>     <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>
>      >     <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
>     <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>>
>      >      >     <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
>     <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>
>      >     <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs
>     <https://tinyurl.com/plasma-15-minute-bugs>>>) are more suitable for the
>      >      >     monthly approach, as each of these could definitely
>     get done
>      >     in less
>      >      >     than a month.
>      >      >
>      >      >     Perhaps in addition to "bug of the month" we could do
>     another
>      >     thing for
>      >      >     bigger and harder bugs.
>      >      >
>      >      >     Nate
>      >      >
>      >      >
>      >      >     On 12/5/22 23:28, AnnoyingRains wrote:
>      >      >      > Perhaps we could switch to “bug of the quarter”
>     instead?
>      >     As most
>      >      >     of the
>      >      >      > bugs that are notable enough to be a serious hassle or
>      >     annoyance
>      >      >     for a
>      >      >      > large amount of users might not be suitable for one
>     month,
>      >     as you
>      >      >      > pointed out.
>      >      >      >
>      >      >      > Although I feel that “bug of the quarter” doesn’t
>     sound as
>      >      >     exciting, or
>      >      >      > possibly even motivating enough to get devs on board.
>      >     Perhaps we
>      >      >     could
>      >      >      > create a section on the (would need to be created)
>     Bug of the
>      >      >     Quarter
>      >      >      > wiki page, that lists all contributors who directly
>      >     contributed
>      >      >     to the
>      >      >      > patch, if there is more than one, of course.
>      >      >      >
>      >      >      > Other than that, perhaps just an email to the KDE dev
>      >     mailing list
>      >      >      > congratulating them and announcing the next bug?
>     That could
>      >      >     encourage
>      >      >      > people.
>      >      >      >
>      >      >      > On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 at 4:01 pm, Nate Graham
>     <nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
>      >     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
>      >      >     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
>     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
>      >      >      > <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
>     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
>      >     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
>     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>> wrote:
>      >      >      >
>      >      >      >     Hello Kyle,
>      >      >      >
>      >      >      >     Yes, that sounds like a good idea.
>      >      >      > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>
>      >      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>> should also be quite a
>      >      >      >     challenge! I think for something like this we would
>      >     need to leave
>      >      >      >     plenty
>      >      >      >     of time for people technically capable of
>     working on it to
>      >      >     show up.
>      >      >      >
>      >      >      >     Nate
>      >      >      >
>      >      >      >
>      >      >      >     On 12/4/22 04:40, AnnoyingRains wrote:
>      >      >      >      > Me again, we missed December, it would probably
>      >     have been too
>      >      >      >     busy for
>      >      >      >      > most devs to work on it anyway, but perhaps
>     we could
>      >      >     relaunch this
>      >      >      >      > program on 1/1/2023 as a new year’s thing?
>      >      >      >      >
>      >      >      >      > - Kye Potter (same person as
>     AnnoyingRains,I’m slowly
>      >      >     switching
>      >      >      >     all my
>      >      >      >      > KDE activities over to my real name)
>      >      >      >      >
>      >      >      >      > On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 at 10:13 am, AnnoyingRains
>      >      >      >     <annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
>      >     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
>      >     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>>
>      >      >     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
>      >     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
>      >     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>>>
>      >      >      >      > <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
>      >     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>
>      >      >     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com> <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>>
>      >      >      >     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
>      >     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>
>      >      >     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>
>      >     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:annoyingrain5 at gmail.com>>>>>> wrote:
>      >      >      >      >
>      >      >      >      >     Hello again, just realised my last email
>     only
>      >     had Nate
>      >      >     in the
>      >      >      >     “to”
>      >      >      >      >     field, hopefully this one works better.
>     Sorry
>      >     if this
>      >      >     creates a
>      >      >      >      >     duplicate somewhere.
>      >      >      >      >
>      >      >      >      >     Original email:
>      >      >      >      >
>      >      >      >      >     To get the word out, I suggest we
>     continue to
>      >     announce new
>      >      >      >     bugs of
>      >      >      >      >     the month on the kde-devel mailing list
>     and on
>      >     Planet
>      >      >     KDE. Other
>      >      >      >      >     than that, I don't really know of any other
>      >     communications
>      >      >      >     platforms
>      >      >      >      >     we have with developers.
>      >      >      >      >     Other than just asking nicely and
>     encouraging devs
>      >      >     from different
>      >      >      >      >     projects to give the bug a shot, I don't
>     think
>      >     there is
>      >      >      >     really much
>      >      >      >      >     more we can do.
>      >      >      >      >
>      >      >      >      >     For an easier bug to patch, perhaps
>      >      >      >      > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>
>      >      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>>
>      >      >      >      >   
>       <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>
>      >      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408919>>>>>would work, it's not
>      >      >      >      >     quite as long standing as the other bug, but
>      >     still an
>      >      >     annoying
>      >      >      >      >     usability issue with core functionality.
>      >      >      >      >
>      >      >      >      >     On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 at 3:51 pm, Nate Graham
>      >      >     <nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
>     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>> <mailto:nate at kde.org
>     <mailto:nate at kde.org>
>      >     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
>      >      >      >     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
>     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
>      >     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
>     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>
>      >      >      >      >     <mailto:nate at kde.org
>     <mailto:nate at kde.org> <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
>      >     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
>     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>
>      >      >     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
>     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>
>      >     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>
>     <mailto:nate at kde.org <mailto:nate at kde.org>>>>>> wrote:
>      >      >      >      >
>      >      >      >      >         Hello AnnoyingRains,
>      >      >      >      >
>      >      >      >      >         Thanks for wanting to get involved
>     with the
>      >     Gardening
>      >      >      >     team! It's
>      >      >      >      >         a small
>      >      >      >      >         team right now and can rally benefit
>     from more
>      >      >     members.
>      >      >      >      >
>      >      >      >      > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
>      >      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>
>      >      >      >      >       
>       <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
>      >      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>> Would be quite a
>      >      >      >      >         challenge.
>      >      >      >      >         Implementing it properly can only
>     really be
>      >     done
>      >      >     in the
>      >      >      >     Wayland
>      >      >      >      >         session,
>      >      >      >      >         and even then, it's quite
>     complicated. Of
>      >     the people I
>      >      >      >     can think
>      >      >      >      >         of who
>      >      >      >      >         would be definitely capable of
>     implementing the
>      >      >     feature,
>      >      >      >     all of
>      >      >      >      >         them are
>      >      >      >      >         super busy right now. So I doubt it
>     could
>      >     get done
>      >      >     in a
>      >      >      >     month,
>      >      >      >      >         to be
>      >      >      >      >         honest. But... maybe I'm wrong! One
>     of the best
>      >      >     ways to
>      >      >      >     get things
>      >      >      >      >         moving is simply to care about them,
>      >     publicize the
>      >      >     issue, and
>      >      >      >      >         try to
>      >      >      >      >         attract developers.
>      >      >      >      >
>      >      >      >      >         Do you have ideas for how we can get the
>      >     word out
>      >      >     here and
>      >      >      >      >         generate buzz
>      >      >      >      >         surrounding it?
>      >      >      >      >
>      >      >      >      >         Nate
>      >      >      >      >
>      >      >      >      >
>      >      >      >      >         On 11/23/22 22:18, AnnoyingRains
>     Games wrote:
>      >      >      >      >          > Hello, I am AnnoyingRains, a
>     brand new
>      >      >     contributor to KDE
>      >      >      >      >         (and also new
>      >      >      >      >          > to mailing lists).
>      >      >      >      >          > I have been using KDE software
>     (notably
>      >     Plasma,
>      >      >     Konsole,
>      >      >      >      >         Dolphin, KDE
>      >      >      >      >          > Partition Manager and Kwrite) on my
>      >     laptop for
>      >      >     over a year
>      >      >      >      >         now (and
>      >      >      >      >          > loving it), and I think now is
>     finally
>      >     time for
>      >      >     me to give
>      >      >      >      >         back to the
>      >      >      >      >          > community.
>      >      >      >      >          >
>      >      >      >      >          > I found the gardening team on the
>     "Get
>      >      >     Involved" page, and
>      >      >      >      >         when looking
>      >      >      >      >          > through the things that the team
>     does, I
>      >     found
>      >      >     Bug of the
>      >      >      >      >         Month, a bug
>      >      >      >      >          > fixing effort that hasn't been in
>     place
>      >     since 2015.
>      >      >      >      >          > I suggest we bring this programme
>     back
>      >     into action.
>      >      >      >      >          >
>      >      >      >      >          > I believe that a good Bug of the
>     Month
>      >     is a bug
>      >      >     that
>      >      >      >     not only
>      >      >      >      >         affects a
>      >      >      >      >          > large amount of people, but one that
>      >     makes KDE look
>      >      >      >     bad, or the
>      >      >      >      >          > developers look lazy for not
>     fixing it,
>      >     and I
>      >      >     believe
>      >      >      >     we have
>      >      >      >      >         a good
>      >      >      >      >          > contender for the first bug of
>     the month in
>      >      >     over 6 years.
>      >      >      >      >          >
>      >      >      >      >          > Bug 15329,
>      >      >     (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
>      >      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>
>      >      >      >      >       
>       <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
>      >      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>>
>      >      >      >      >          >
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
>      >      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>
>      >      >      >      >       
>       <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>
>      >      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>
>      >      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>
>      >     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329
>     <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15329>>>>>>), is a great
>      >      >      >      >         contender for
>      >      >      >      >          > this. The bug is over 22 years
>     old, and
>      >     can cause
>      >      >      >      >         seemingly-broken
>      >      >      >      >          > behaviour. If a new user sees
>     this and
>      >     attempts
>      >      >     to find a
>      >      >      >      >         solution for
>      >      >      >      >          > this annoying issue, then they
>     will find
>      >     this
>      >      >     ancient bug
>      >      >      >      >         report. People
>      >      >      >      >          > usually don't react to 22+ year
>     old reports
>      >      >     well, so
>      >      >      >     this may
>      >      >      >      >         cause them
>      >      >      >      >          > to choose to use a competing product
>      >     instead of
>      >      >     KDEs, and
>      >      >      >      >         make KDE look bad.
>      >      >      >      >          >
>      >      >      >      >          > I have no idea how to sign off an
>     email to a
>      >      >     mailing
>      >      >      >     list, so
>      >      >      >      >         I'll just
>      >      >      >      >          > cut it off here.
>      >      >      >      >
>      >      >      >
>      >      >
>      >
> 


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