[plasmashell] [Bug 355563] Taskbar is cluttered and colorfull

[Uri Herrera via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355563

--- Comment #12 from Uri Herrera <uri_herrera at nitrux.in> ---
@Ondrej Machulda 

> I don't understand reason behind your ironic voice, however, my point about borders which are visually cluttering the empty space (and are even inconsistent amongst other
> plasma parts), and yes, somehow resembles Excel table and taskbar from windows95 was obivous. Is tehere some kind of consensus in Plasma team about this? 
> Will other Parts of plasma introduce also this borders in more components?

It's *not* inconsistent. 

When you drag your cursor over an item e.g. in Dolphin the selection box has a
border. When you hover over an item in Kickoff, Kicker, the Application
dashboard, Klipper, system tray expanded area (for the lack of a correct name)
or generally a selection in any plasmoid there was/is a border. Of course the
buttons and text fields in both the applications and (now) Plasma had a border
already around the selection too. It had been there all the time in fact. But
just now it's on the task manager too. Heck there's a border (and it has a
glowing effect) around this bug system's text box too.

The task manager was the one being inconsistent with the rest of the selection
items in the environment.

The blue line (which is in fact a border, the bottom part of the whole frame)
is used in Kickoff on its tabs, it's used in the system tray when click through
each item (like sound>network>klipper> and so on), it's also used in the tabs
of the applications. That gave the impression that the task manager was tabbed,
when it's clearly not.

That line works in Kickoff, the applications and the system tray because they
are tabs or are tabbed.

> Sorry, not obvious for me. Also as stated by Andreas: "toolbar icons are monochrome because the user should focus on the working area and not the toolbars. "
> -- so what is the reason behind big blue areas in taskbar? 

To differentiate active windows from the rest. 

> In HIG is written "Use color to draw attention." Does currently active item in takskbar really need your attention? It just highlights currently open window! You don't need to focus there is you are just working with the current window. Yes, active windows should obviously be recognizable when focusing on the taskbar (as was in the previous version) but should not disturb you otherwise.

I'm at a loss here. Does it need your attention? - well, yes it should be
obvious to the user which of the windows is the active one (because in large
screens not everything is not maximized all the time and/or there might be a
lot of windows open). 

But please, disturbing is sincerely exaggerating. It's not an "in your face"
color. It's a soothe and muted color. It's not glowing, pulsating, vibrating,
rotating or anything similar. 

>I don't know what causes the inconsitence between your screenshot and mine (I use default theme without modifications)... However, it is regression with the new version.

Likely the cache or that you have the previous theme in your system or both. I
am running the theme from master which by now has small differences with the
one in the wild apparently. But It's not a regression and I don't consider,
think or see it as such.

@Nils

> I am really not in the thing with gimp/photoshop, but here a small example which illustrates my state about useless borders:
> http://postimg.org/gallery/1394k2mec/d7b4746c/
> Sorry for not respecting the gradient, I do not know how to easily keep it. But I think that the gui without border is much more cleaner and simple.

And I understand that. Breeze doesn't have any gradients if only at the buttons
and the notes out of all the elements. However excessively removing borders is
not good either It should be clear that something is selected and that it's the
active selection or that it isn't.

> About the buttons with weirds colors (the previous one with monochrome colors were much better): 
> [url=http://postimg.org/image/dssqji01n/][img]http://s17.postimg.org/dssqji01n/actions.jpg[/img][/url]

Link is broken. 

> My opinion is that we are going down the wrong way with the last update.

Which is that: your opinion.

> Maybe the icons have thiner lines but *they are* much bigger and give me a clumsy feeling. Maybe because they are 22px I don't know, but the result is really not nice and seems to be intended 

They aren't. If they look like so they're not being scaled correctly (not a
problem with the icons since I'm not having these problems). They're the same
exact size as before (22). They are the same exact color as before but they
follow the icon guidelines now.

> And yes this is my opinion and it is not my intention to hurt someone and as breeze has been really something I appreciate, I may have overreacted to these last changes.

Agreed.

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