[plasmashell] [Bug 355563] Taskbar is cluttered and colorfull

[Olivier Churlaud]

Hi,

Sorry for the long message. I don't want to be offensive. Please read this with that in mind. If it looks pffensive, please excuse my bad english.

I find this answer quite rude. IMOH, feedbacks are always welcome, even when put in a bad way.

Instead of learning from this, and looking for other feedbacks to know if it's just a taste issue or more widespread, the answer looked kind of "i don't care about what you think, you are wrong and i prove it".

I take my own opinion:
I don't think the new theme is shitty at all, i just find that the icon set is too colourfull (see for example the system menu with restart/shutdown/..) and that it looks less serious than before although the design is overall better. I think it the icons should be more minimalistic.

It's a feedback, and it's a similar opinion to what the other guy said. I agree that he wasn't very friendly. 

You can argue that you took this decision based on this and that, that the plasma team / vdg team took this direction and that you'll speak about this in the next meeting or whatever. But don't tell us to go fuck ourselves because we don't agree with your vision.

I think that without feedback, we cannot be the best but only fit our own tastes and needs.

Cheers,
Olivier



Sur 20 nov. 2015 11:08, à 11:08, Uri Herrera via KDE Bugzilla <bugzilla_noreply at kde.org> a écrit:
>https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355563
>
>Uri Herrera <uri_herrera at nitrux.in> changed:
>
>           What    |Removed                     |Added
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         Resolution|---                         |WONTFIX
>                 CC|                            |uri_herrera at nitrux.in
>             Status|UNCONFIRMED                 |RESOLVED
>
>--- Comment #8 from Uri Herrera <uri_herrera at nitrux.in> ---
>@Ondrej Machulda 
>
>> The taskbar used to be clean, without unneeded decorations and very
>decent. 
>
>It wasn't otherwise I wouldn't have changed it. 
>
>With Plasma 5.4.3  (+ kf 5.16) the taskbar now:
>- is full of borders (left, top and upper border for each task), which
>adds
>visual noise (it looks lin an Excel table now)
>
>This is visual noise: https://goo.gl/KRQiec - Hmm, so I should add the
>little
>square in the corner,  increase the size of the borders, remove the
>backgrounds
>and only use one color, to get the full-on Excel look. Neat.
>
>> - uses various colors (what does they even mean?) which attract
>attention even if nothing happens (just the window is changed)
>
>Task states. Now they're obvious. Ah yes, there's only 3 colors in use
>doesn't
>seem like "various" and they're colors from the color scheme. I mean,
>just FYI.
>
>> - has an shadow which cannot be disabled
>
>The color scheme wasn't changed (this handles the shadows in the
>taskbar
>text,).
>
>Now about your screenshot: There's clearly a difference what you
>uploaded and
>what I'm running. There's a clear gap between each task, borders don't
>go over
>each other (and though I just added it) the minimized windows have a
>frame to
>distinguish them from other tasks.
>
>http://i.imgur.com/p34YtmS.png
>
>@Nils
>
>> Created attachment 95595 [details]
>icons from toolbar
>
>No. They are not icons from the toolbar they are icons that follow the
>Breeze
>guidelines: https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/IconDesign
>
>And, as far as I remember (and what I can assure you we both can
>see...) system
>tray icons were *already* monochrome. 
>
>> Created attachment 95596 [details]
>useless borders
>
>Refer to above.
>
>> I must approve this report. I was thinking Plasma followed KISS and
>flat principles. However, > lastly, it seems we search to come close to
>90s design. We add useless borders, colors everywhere (and not
>complementary), and fat icons with thick lines.
>
>Ok let's take a look at GUIs from the 90's. By "90's" you are referring
>to the
>period between 1990-1999.
>
>http://toastytech.com/guis/bigmacosx.gif - Mac OS
>http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/2009/03/windows-95.gif -
>Windows 95
>(probably the source of your comment)
>
>Well in that period everything was gray, had thick borders acting as
>shadows,
>pixelized icons and colorized icons in the tray. I mean putting aside
>the color
>palettes, the fonts, the perspective of the icons, the fact that Plasma
>is
>*white (or dark)* and not gray,  shadows, the overall aesthetic, etc.
>
>Ah, but there's borders, looks like that's enough to call it 90's ain't
>it.
>
>(Not mine and it is an example) https://goo.gl/0WqG3l - I don't know
>about you,
>but, I see a lot of color here. Looks nice.
>
>Something that follows the KISS principle doesn't have to be devoid of
>everything just because "simplicity". Been there, done that. And it's
>not
>following "flat" either.
>
>About the icons, I have no idea what you're seeing. I can clearly see
>icons
>that have 1px lines and fill elements. Like it's stated in the
>guidelines
>(link's above). Oh and yeah, the previous icons in the previous theme 
>*did
>have icons with thicker lines*. Really.
>
>> We even have some people pushing back previous design in a package in
>order to keep it consistent:
>>
>http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Breeze+Classic+%285.4+look%29?content=174360
>
>Pushing?. Just like there's people "pushing" for other styles like the
>Windows
>or OS X looks?. I don't know how uploading the theme there means
>"pushing".
>It's... just there.
>
>Bottomline; if you want the previous theme it's there on kde-look. The
>task
>manager had problems and the tray icons didn't match the rest of the
>icons in
>Breeze thus the update.
>
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