[plasmashell] [Bug 355563] Taskbar is cluttered and colorfull

[Uri Herrera via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355563

Uri Herrera <uri_herrera at nitrux.in> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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         Resolution|---                         |WONTFIX
                 CC|                            |uri_herrera at nitrux.in
             Status|UNCONFIRMED                 |RESOLVED

--- Comment #8 from Uri Herrera <uri_herrera at nitrux.in> ---
@Ondrej Machulda 

> The taskbar used to be clean, without unneeded decorations and very decent. 

It wasn't otherwise I wouldn't have changed it. 

With Plasma 5.4.3  (+ kf 5.16) the taskbar now:
- is full of borders (left, top and upper border for each task), which adds
visual noise (it looks lin an Excel table now)

This is visual noise: https://goo.gl/KRQiec - Hmm, so I should add the little
square in the corner,  increase the size of the borders, remove the backgrounds
and only use one color, to get the full-on Excel look. Neat.

> - uses various colors (what does they even mean?) which attract attention even if nothing happens (just the window is changed)

Task states. Now they're obvious. Ah yes, there's only 3 colors in use doesn't
seem like "various" and they're colors from the color scheme. I mean, just FYI.

> - has an shadow which cannot be disabled

The color scheme wasn't changed (this handles the shadows in the taskbar
text,).

Now about your screenshot: There's clearly a difference what you uploaded and
what I'm running. There's a clear gap between each task, borders don't go over
each other (and though I just added it) the minimized windows have a frame to
distinguish them from other tasks.

http://i.imgur.com/p34YtmS.png

@Nils

> Created attachment 95595 [details]
icons from toolbar

No. They are not icons from the toolbar they are icons that follow the Breeze
guidelines: https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/IconDesign

And, as far as I remember (and what I can assure you we both can see...) system
tray icons were *already* monochrome. 

> Created attachment 95596 [details]
useless borders

Refer to above.

> I must approve this report. I was thinking Plasma followed KISS and flat principles. However, > lastly, it seems we search to come close to 90s design. We add useless borders, colors everywhere (and not complementary), and fat icons with thick lines.

Ok let's take a look at GUIs from the 90's. By "90's" you are referring to the
period between 1990-1999.

http://toastytech.com/guis/bigmacosx.gif - Mac OS
http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/2009/03/windows-95.gif - Windows 95
(probably the source of your comment)

Well in that period everything was gray, had thick borders acting as shadows,
pixelized icons and colorized icons in the tray. I mean putting aside the color
palettes, the fonts, the perspective of the icons, the fact that Plasma is
*white (or dark)* and not gray,  shadows, the overall aesthetic, etc.

Ah, but there's borders, looks like that's enough to call it 90's ain't it.

(Not mine and it is an example) https://goo.gl/0WqG3l - I don't know about you,
but, I see a lot of color here. Looks nice.

Something that follows the KISS principle doesn't have to be devoid of
everything just because "simplicity". Been there, done that. And it's not
following "flat" either.

About the icons, I have no idea what you're seeing. I can clearly see icons
that have 1px lines and fill elements. Like it's stated in the guidelines
(link's above). Oh and yeah, the previous icons in the previous theme  *did
have icons with thicker lines*. Really.

> We even have some people pushing back previous design in a package in order to keep it consistent:
> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Breeze+Classic+%285.4+look%29?content=174360

Pushing?. Just like there's people "pushing" for other styles like the Windows
or OS X looks?. I don't know how uploading the theme there means "pushing".
It's... just there.

Bottomline; if you want the previous theme it's there on kde-look. The task
manager had problems and the tray icons didn't match the rest of the icons in
Breeze thus the update.

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