Remove bundle wrapper, give public to all products, call it "Greater KDE Software Release Day"

Nate Graham nate at
Mon May 13 16:29:48 BST 2019

On 5/12/19 12:54 PM, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:
> Hi Jonathan,
> Am Samstag, 11. Mai 2019, 19:54:20 CEST schrieb Jonathan Riddell:
>> The purpose of the bundle is that it takes the release process out of the
>> hands of projects which don't want to do that bit of faff.  It's a nice
>> service to those projects.  It's very successful at that and I don't see
>> any purpose in discussing changing what can be included or what should be
>> included.
> na, you got me wrong here. That proposal about removing the bundle wrapper is
> not about changing the process and shifting work. It is solely about changing
> the communication to the public/users about what is released those days.
> Instead of saying "we release A (which contains X, Y, Z)" one would say "we
> release X, Y, Z.".
> And for the internal work there would be some dedicated name to refer to this
> release work group ("Fourmonthsgroup" or better).
>> Nobody has an interest in separating it up.  My only objective
>> is to give it a slightly more descriptive name which is catchy for the
>> public.
> What do you mean by "catchy"? For whom should it be catchy and compared to
> what? IMHO a catchy name for something which only exists in the release news,
> but no-where else (at least in user experience, when using apps they do not
> know what belongs to this bundle) only makes things worse, as every time one
> says "Bundle name" one does not say the actual names of the actual software
> modules, while its those which endusers only see.
> And as long as "Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie KDE Sofware Modules" still means a
> random collection software, where no-one really knows what is inside besides
> some fanboys, this does not improve things when trying to inform users that a
> new version of their favourite application is out. And at the same time
> trying to tell others that all those different applications exist and what
> their normal names are.
> "Kontact", "Dolphin", "Gwenview", "Konsole", "Rocs", "Cantor", "Kate",
> "Okular", "Kdenlive" should be the catchy names. no?

I think we all agree that the announcements need more content about more 
of the apps, but that's really on those apps' authors to add that 
information. There's only so much the release team can do since they're 
not necessarily domain experts on all the apps. I always add detailed 
release notes for the apps I follow (Dolphin, Gwenview, Okular, 
Kate/KWrite, Konsole, and Spectacle) but I can't do it for every app in 
the bundle. There just isn't enough time for me to follow *everything*.

But I have a hard time envisioning what the title/header of your 
proposed announcement looks like. It can't have 20 apps and their 
version numbers in it; that's way too long. That information has to go 
in the body, but it already does (well, not the version numbers, but 
that's trivial to change). So if we're not mentioning the apps and their 
version numbers in the title, then the title is going to continue to be 
in the form of "Today we announce A", whether "A" is whatever we settle 
on, be it "KDE Applications YY.MM", or "KDE Apps Bundle YY.MM" or even 
just "the third 2019 KDE apps release day". That's really no different 
"KDE Apps Bundle 19.12".

If we have to change it to anything, I'm okay with "KDE Apps Bundle" 
since the promo team seems to like that.


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