Rolf Eike Beer kde at
Tue Sep 1 19:12:56 UTC 2015

Am Montag, 31. August 2015, 11:13:42 schrieb Andre Heinecke:
> Hi,
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 08:04:59 PM Rolf Eike Beer wrote:
> > Jeremy Whiting wrote:
> > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Jeremy Whiting <jpwhiting at> 
> > > > Hey all,
> > > > 
> > > > I may have found another candidate for unmaintained. KGpg is a ui for
> > > > gnupg. I've never used it, but have used kleopatra. Anyway, here's my
> > > > reasoning. Please fix any false assumptions I may have made if you
> > > > know kgpg or kleopatra better than I:
> > > > 
> > > > 1. KGpg does gnupg. Kleopatra also does, but is maintained.
> > > > 2. KGpg has not been ported to Qt5/kf5, Kleopatra has.
> > > > 3. KGpg isn't part of kdepim nor is it maintained by the PIM team,
> > > > Kleopatra is.
> > > > 
> > > > Is there anything that KGpg does that Kleopatra doesn't/can't do? Or
> > > > is there any reason to port KGpg to Qt5/kf5 and keep releasing it?
> > > 
> > > Correction, KGpg is maintained, Rolf made commits as late as last
> > > month. My mistake. I gave KGpg a try here and it does seem to work
> > > well. Rolf, could you use a hand porting it to Qt5/KF5 ?
> > 
> > I did not port for the reason that KGpg depends on kdepimlibs (KABC),
> > which
> > had no Qt5-based release yet (now it has), and I must confess I can occupy
> > my time with other stuff and was too lazy to build it from git. In fact I
> > was asked at least twice why there was no KF5-port and both were also too
> > lazy to build kdepimlibs stuff themself. Now that there is a release it
> > makes actually sense to port, so I hope I can manage it in time for 15.12.
> > If someone is bored and wants to assist I will not reject any efforts.
> What's the state of GnuPG 2.1 support in KGpg? I've tried to run KGpg (from
> debian jessie) on my with 2.1 and it fails to start with an error that It
> can't find the Gpg-agent. (Probably because there is no mandatory
> GPG_AGENT_INFO anymore)

I.e. that one should be fixed since 14.12, but other issues exist.

> > Kleopatra can do X.509, which KGpg can't. I never found that really
> > missing.
> So you probably never much had encrypted communiction with instutional
> users. ;-) S/MIME is pretty widespread there. (At least in Germany)
> > And KGpg looks so much more beautiful ;)
> Aww, now you've hurt Kleopatra's feelings (Doesn't she have a cute nose) ;-)
> But I have to agree there at least for the keylisting. (as Sune and Anne
> also wrote in the other branch of this topich). The Keylisting /
> visualization of validity is imho better in Kgpg. Something I hope to
> address in Kleopatra at some point. This will probably go along with
> GnuPG's TOFU database / usage statistics that are currently worked at.
> Which will also need new
> representation in GUI's.
> Kleopatra at least has the advantage that it uses the official API (gpgme)
> and so it is theoratically much easier to work with new features and
> different versions of GnuPG.

Yes, sort of. OTOH one does not need that additional library installed if KGpg 
should be used.

> I'd much rather see us working together on a single GUI then splitting the
> effort to work on two Certificate Managers in the KDE community. Of course I
> doub't that will happen.
> If you are willing to work on KGpg Ok! Alternatives are good. :-)

This discussion came up years ago already. At the end I think we agreed to 
disagree. Or something like that.

> There is also another advantage KGpg has over kleopatra, The Kleopatra
> codebase is kind of a beast with a usage of stdc++ and boost that is
> probably unfamiliar to most KDE hackers.
> > And it has the CAFF mode, which I doubt Kleopatra has.
> I actually did not know that. Maybe something we could add to Kleopatra
> then, too.

It's important that get's fixed 
before. Currently KGpg can send such mails, but not with KMail/Kontact.

I removed kde-community from CC, they don't want that I post there.


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