[Kde-pim] What's up with kdepim*?

Albert Astals Cid aacid at kde.org
Mon Jul 20 12:36:43 UTC 2015 

El Dilluns, 20 de juliol de 2015, a les 09:46:05, laurent Montel va escriure:
> Le Monday 20 July 2015, 09:23:40 Albert Astals Cid a écrit :
> > El Dilluns, 20 de juliol de 2015, a les 06:45:17, laurent Montel va
> 
> escriure:
> > > Le Sunday 19 July 2015, 23:37:05 Albert Astals Cid a écrit :
> > > > El Diumenge, 19 de juliol de 2015, a les 23:23:37, laurent Montel va
> > > 
> > > escriure:
> > > > > Le Sunday 19 July 2015, 20:22:11 Albert Astals Cid a écrit :
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 8 months ago we started releasing kdepim from the KDE/4.14 branch
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > you guys wanted, some kind of LTS-ish without really being LTS.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Now at some point in the last cycle there were some emails to some
> > > > > > lists
> > > > > > and some blogs in the planet about kdepim & friends getting ready
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > KF5 release.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > There was no email to the release-team list asking to stop
> > > > > > releasing
> > > > > > KDE/4.14 and releasing master, but "oh well" I thought, let's
> > > > > > pretend
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > did.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's stopped by default when we release official kf5 no ? As for
> > > > > others
> > > > > program no ?
> > > > 
> > > > Being part of the KDE Applications release has nothing to do with
> > > > being
> > > > or
> > > > not being based on KF5.
> > > > 
> > > > You guys just decided to stop on KDE/4.14 for some reason I never
> > > > understood.
> > > 
> > > ?
> > > Why we will continue to work on KDE/4.14 when we focus on kf5 ?
> > 
> > Again there is noone working on the KDE/4.14 branches except kdepim*.
> > 
> > You don't seem to understand what KDE Applications is about.
> > 
> > KDE Applications is about giving our users the best experience they can
> > get, it can be based on kdelibs4 or KF5, that doesn't matter.
> > 
> > So the fact that Applications/14.12 or Applications/15.04 or
> > Applications/15.08 exists for a repository doesn't mean anything other
> > than
> > there's 3 stable branches and a master branch.
> > 
> > I've explained it to you guys in the past and you didn't seem to
> > understand
> > it, since I'm explaining it the same way, I'm not sure I'll help making
> > you
> > understand it.
> > 
> > But anyway this is not the critical issue here.
> > 
> > > (As you know the number of dev kdepim are 1 or 2 or max 4 and I don't
> > > have
> > > time to maintain kde4.14 and port all kdepim kf5...)
> > 
> > This is interesting because you say you don't have time but still there's
> > lots of commits to KDE/4.14 branches of kdepim* by you :)
> 
> Yep until we decided to focus on kde kf5 and we decided in april that we
> release kf5 in 15.08
> => I stopped to work on.
> 
> Indeed I wanted to make sure that 4.14 was still stable/fixed until I switch
> to kf5.
> Now it's finish so no new fix in 4.14 from me (and as you know I was the one
> developper which worked on 4.14 kdepim)
> 
> > > > > > But then I had a look at the kdepim build.kde.org job seems to
> > > > > > depend
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > bazillion of unreleased things, like akonadi, akonadi-calendar,
> > > > > > prison
> > > > > > (frameworks branch!), kmailtransport, akonadi-search, kholidays,
> > > > > > syndication, kimap and I guess more but I stopped looking.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So I guess you guys still want to release the KDE/4.14 branches
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > kdepim*, right?
> > > > > 
> > > > > No we want to release kf5 release.
> > > > 
> > > > Being the guy that creates the packages, that is pretty surprising
> > > > since
> > > > this is the first news i have in the release-team list.
> > > > 
> > > > How was I supposed to know you want to be part of the release?
> > > 
> > > Ok we (perhaps me) forgot to send a message to release-team, but I
> > > didn't
> > > hide it ? I wrote a lot of blog about it, we decided it on april in
> > > sprint
> > > kdepim in toulouse  and we wrote an email in mailing list.
> > > Ok we forgot to send email to you.
> > 
> > It's a small but important detail, tell the release people you want to be
> > part of the release.
> 
> Ok I understand and I made an error.
> I didn't think that it was necessary to do it.
> (as I didn't do it for kdegames apps that I ported it was not a problem I
> never inform release team about it and it was not a problem so I didn"t
> think that it was a problem).

none of the kdegames stopped being released from master. kdepim asked to stop 
being released from master, so obviously needs to be asked to release again.

Also around 1 million of new repositories were created for kdepim*, obviously 
they also need to be communicated they need to be released.

Comparing this situation to one game of kdegames is ported to KF5 makes 
absoultely no sense.

> 
> > > > I don't even have a clue of what repositories are supposed to be part
> > > > of
> > > > the release.
> > > 
> > > Kdepim/akonadi/akonadi-search/kdepim-runtime/kdepimlibs
> > > Gpgmepp/kblog/kcontacts/kidentitymanagement/kmailtransport/kontactinterf
> > > ac
> > > e
> > > syndication/akonadi-calendar/kalarmcal/kcalutils/kldap/kmime/ktnef/kcalc
> > > or
> > > e/ kholidays/kimap/kmbox/kpimtextedit/kxmlrpcclient
> > 
> > akonadi is part of kdesupport, we don't release kdesupport repositories as
> > part of KDE Applications.
> 
> I asked to Dan to create a new release for it.
> 
> > akonadi-search is part of playground, we don't release playground
> > repositories as part of KDE Applications.
> 
> Why it was moved in playground....
> So what is the solution for it ?

Don't ask me why it's in playground, i didn't even know this repository 
existed 1 day ago.

Salut,
  Albert

> 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> >   Albert
> >   
> > > > Also you have unreleased dependencies, at least prison and akonadi.
> > > 
> > > Akonadi is as the others kdepim package it's the last one.
> > > Ok Dan could you told us which is the last package please ?
> > > 
> > > Prison... I never used it it's optional so it's not a problem.
> > > 
> > > > The
> > > > dependency freeze was last week.
> > > > 
> > > > Salut,
> > > > 
> > > >   Albert
> > > >   
> > > > > Regards.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Salut,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   Albert
> > > > > > 
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